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honey and overts - my response to a question from a 30bad member

hey congrats for your amazing performances. it is really hyping me up because i can now run again after such a long time. i used to do cc, but now i am injury free running barefoot eating 811
awesome
i was wondering particularly about honey. i have been experimenting with it seeing how i feel because i have really amazing hawaiian honey i helped harvest sustainably without hurting the bees and stuff. i feel we can really benefit from beekeeping, pollinating all of our crops and maybe snacking on a little honey.
i just wasn't sure because everyone really downs it on here. they feel it is sub optimal because it is refined. i understand them and i tried eating a bunch on an empty stomach and definitely felt a little jittery like my blood sugar was high. but i tried it with fruit in a banana smoothie and it was amazing. maybe it just needs a little fiber.
i felt like it would be perfect for consuming before a race, or even during if it was a longer one, and i saw that you did that for the 50 miler.
i was wondering if you could explain a little more the effects of it for yourself, and how much you were eating during the race? seemed to work for you?
thanks a bunch
also do you eat any overts?
later :)
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Hey sorry for the delay on reply.
Honey is a tricky topic with 811'ers.
Doug Graham is NOT into honey, and there are some reasons that I agree with.
Honey spikes the blood sugar FAST - the stuff is rocket fuel - I only use it in races and I have to be very careful with it, b/c once I start taking it I can't stop or I'll crash hard, and if I crash in a race, it's BAD! I've almost passed out from going hyper glycemic after running out of honey while doing some training runs.

I really should try to get away from it and go with getting fresh OJ or bananas during my races - I'm sure it would work just as well, certainly a better choice in ultra marathon's for sure.

Honey is very easy to get, put in a small plastic flask and just get out the door with concentrated 'raw' energy. I still love it for marathon's and if I'm going for a long run and don't want to carry 'food'.

I do NOT eat honey any other time except when I'm in a race or a long training run or something. There's no reason to when you can easily eat fresh produce.

and yes, I agree Hawaiian Honey is F'ing insane good - I only order from Hawaiian farms - I think it's called the Lehia flower that I like the most.

I do not eat overts almost ever anymore. I did a lot of avocados when I first started 811,too many in fact. I never felt 'fresh' after eating them then and certainly not now. Doug says that 955 is NOT 811, and that over time (the long term) the goal is 811 not 955, so I guess sooner or later I'm going to get back into durian or avocados, but right now I really feel far far better when I'm eating very 955/light foods. I even have moved away from very dense fruit like bananas and persimmons and eat more very high water content foods like melons more these days.


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Comment by Kristina Comment Question for you, Michael: Do you keep track of how many calories you eat on a daily basis? If so, what does an average day look like for you in terms of calories/foods. Thank you!

I do try to eat a bit 'less' these days, but that is mainly b/c I'm in very heavy run training right now and I'm trying to train my body to become more efficient - which helps in my long distance run training. Yet I eat a LOT - I think I eat more than anyone on 30bad a day - and I'm not kidding! I eat some days possibly over 30lbs of actual volume of food a day (yes 30lbs+ in my mouth...) I am much more into 'light' foods as talked about in Anne Osbornes book - which I HIGHLY recommend if you haven't read it yet. I eat tons of citrus, melons, pomogranates, cucumbers, strawberry papaya, romaine, tomatoes, guava, cherimoya, and on and on (I think I eat 4-5k calories a day, yet I run some days 4 hours a day (2 hours in the morning and then 2 hours in the evening))

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Comment by Kristina on December 1, 2009 at 8:51am
Thank you so much for answering my question, Michael. :-) Very nice of you. I have Anne's book, isn't it just chockfull of great information? :-)
Comment by Michael on November 30, 2009 at 11:16am
I pretty much just eat whenever I'm hungry, lol that's not even true, I pretty much eat even if I'm not hungry...but the goal is to eat when I am hungry I guess.
I eat all day long, for sure there is no 'meal time' in my mind. I graze all the time pretty much. Yet suprisingly Dr. D doesn't say that is what he does anymore, he's a 'meal time' guy and nothing inbetween. Maybe that will happen to me later on down the road. I've been eating less than a year ago, certainly I outgrew overts and tons of complicated chopping salads...maybe in another year I'll just be eating 2-3 meals a day. I will say that the longer I eat this way the more I like it and the more simple and relaxed I am with the diet, the craving days are long gone, which is very very very cool! So stick with it!
Comment by Michael on November 30, 2009 at 5:56am
I do try to eat a bit 'less' these days, but that is mainly b/c I'm in very heavy run training right now and I'm trying to train my body to become more efficient - which helps in my long distance run training. Yet I eat a LOT - I think I eat more than anyone on 30bad a day - and I'm not kidding! I eat some days possibly over 30lbs of actual volume of food a day (yes 30lbs+ in my mouth...) I am much more into 'light' foods as talked about in Anne Osbornes book - which I HIGHLY recommend if you haven't read it yet. I eat tons of citrus, melons, pomogranates, cucumbers, strawberry papaya, romaine, tomatoes, guava, cherimoya, and on and on (I think I eat 4-5k calories a day, yet I run some days 4 hours a day (2 hours in the morning and then 2 hours in the evening))
Comment by Kristina on November 30, 2009 at 5:38am
Question for you, Michael: Do you keep track of how many calories you eat on a daily basis? If so, what does an average day look like for you in terms of calories/foods. Thank you!
Comment by MADO on November 29, 2009 at 1:51pm
I like dates

no more honey
because of all the things I have been hearing about honey, has not been positive and I agree. But it does taste good.
Comment by zack on November 29, 2009 at 1:32pm
do you have a set amount you consume every 15 minutes or something? how long can you go without crashing?
Comment by B on November 29, 2009 at 1:31pm
Fascinating post Mike
Comment by Jason-TOL on November 29, 2009 at 1:28pm
how many melons do you put down man? 5 watermelon lol, 25 cantaloupes?

Watermelon is super feel good, cant eat too fast orelse.

Mangos are delicious too! Super hydrating I find as well and more dense fuel.

Im interested in what you eat in aday before a race...?

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