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The idea here is to create a veganwiki.  We'd like this to be a science based wiki where people can go to get info on veganism.  At the wiki we will be able to address all the nonsense that comes from various fronts in a very direct way with references to scientific works.  Any of you who are familiar with running a wiki or have lots of scientific background regarding veganism would be ideal but all interested are welcome.  We'll flesh out the basics here at 30bad.  Once we have something worth putting out there, we will.   

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wiki development plan

Started by pradtf. Last reply by pradtf Nov 21, 2013. 7 Replies

here's what i suggest for starters:1. research existing vegan wikis and determine if we should do our own or join someone else's. i haven't looked, so i don't really know what's out there other than…Continue

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Comment by Paul on December 6, 2013 at 2:30pm

Welcome urielswords, nice to have you.  Check out this site    http://vegan.wiki.yt/en/Main_Page   I think we have decided to focus our efforts here at least for now.  I've made a few entries.  There is a ton that could be done on this wiki.  Thanks for joining.  

Comment by Paul on November 21, 2013 at 4:21am

Alright everyone, we may have a site we can work with which will eliminate the need to reinvent the wheel.  I've had a nice reception at the site Prad & I have been discussing   http://vegan.wiki.yt/en/Main_Page     I invite you all to check it out.  You may also want to check out Prad's development plan aspects (entry above) which we can apply while contributing material to this vegan wiki.  There is pretty much a blank slate on this site.  I invite all of you to go there and simply make an entry for your home location.  I'll do one for Virginia in the US.  I put a little in the Australia section and referred to 30bad but I'm sure there are Aussies that could do much better.  Let me know what you all think about this wiki.  If any of you need any help, let me know.  It is pretty simple though, just go to the wiki and start working on something you know about.  There is a ton of info we can put in there and it doesn't all have to have scientific references.  At least check it out and post your thoughts.  Thanks,  Paul

Comment by pradtf on November 20, 2013 at 1:10pm

the layout is better imho than the other one we looked at. also it is run using mediawiki which is a well-established open source software. i suggest you mention it in the wiki development plan discussion so it is easily referenced.

in friendship,


Comment by Paul on November 20, 2013 at 12:35pm

Hey All, have you seen this site  http://vegan.wiki.yt/en/Main_Page   ?   It looks like a nice format and they seem pretty open to participation from all vegans.  Prad I know you could vamp up the scientific end on this site big time but it might be a starting point.

Comment by Paul on November 15, 2013 at 2:30pm

Ok Prad.  I will put some more energy into your initial suggestions and get back soon.  Thank you sir.

Comment by pradtf on November 15, 2013 at 2:27pm

youtube is a good idea of course. however, it is not searchable.

my interest in the wiki is to have a resource for vegans and activists to utilize.

eventually, the intention is to turn it into an expert system.

so i'm happy with whatever direction the group wants to go in, but the original idea is still something i'm going to be working - it may be a resource for the videos too.

in friendship,


Comment by Paul on November 15, 2013 at 2:22pm

Hey All,  I am still interested in the vegan wiki but I'm wondering if there's is not more bang for the buck in terms of time and work in simply working on youtube.  That seems to be the fastest most direct way to communicate with folks.  A vegan wiki would be nice for vegans but in terms of getting message out to the broader community it seems like you tube is the way.  I'm open to other views and Prad if you still want to do something with the software I'll participate.  Hope all are well,   Paul

Comment by Paul on October 8, 2013 at 5:12am

Prad,  You're the bomb.  This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.  I will invite him.

Comment by pradtf on October 8, 2013 at 5:04am

evolutionary changes occur as a result of generations. so usually the shorter the lifetime, the sooner the change. suffice to say that not a whole lot has happened to create significant evolutionary change in humans. :D

you may want to invite our resident paleontologist to this group:

The Humane Hominid

he's very knowledgeable on all this and runs an excellent blog too!

in friendship,


Comment by Paul on October 8, 2013 at 12:30am

Can anybody tell me how long it takes for an evolutionary change to occur?  Paleo has this argument that I know is wrong which states man has adapted to eating meat.  The only digestive evolutionary changes I'm aware of when comparing primates is our enhanced starch digesting capacity which Dr. McDougal references.  How long did it take for those changes to occur? 


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