Some clarification please: Atherosclerosis is easily produced in nonhuman
herbivores. [...] It is not possible to produce atherosclerosis in a
But meat-eating proponents do not argue that humans are carnivores, but rather that they are omnivores. SO, does anybody know if or if not atherosclerosis can be produced in omnivores?
Don't get me wrong, i know about the clinical evidence, and am totally convinced that we are meant to be vegans. But since the argument that only true herbivores can develop atherosclerosis, but neither carnivores NOR (and that is the crucial point) omnivores can, is so fantastic, i want to fully understand it, and i am anticipating what could come up from an opponent in a veg/non-veg discussion.
People who follow a vegan lifestyle - strict vegetarians who try to eat no meat or animal products of any kind - may increase their risk of developing blood clots and atherosclerosis or "hardening of the arteries," which are conditions that can lead to heart attacks and stroke. That's the conclusion of a review of dozens of articles published on the biochemistry of vegetarianism during the past 30 years. The article appears in ACS' bi-weekly Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.
Duo Li notes in the review that meat eaters are known for having a significantly higher combination of cardiovascular risk factors than vegetarians. Lower-risk vegans, however, may not be immune. Their diets tend to be lacking several key nutrients - including iron, zinc, vitamin B12, and omega-3 fatty acids. While a balanced vegetarian diet can provide enough protein, this isn't always the case when it comes to fat and fatty acids. As a result, vegans tend to have elevated blood levels of homocysteine and decreased levels of HDL, the "good" form of cholesterol. Both are risk factors for heart disease.
It concludes that there is a strong scientific basis for vegetarians and vegans to increase their dietary omega-3 fatty acids and vitamin B12 to help contend with those risks. Good sources of omega-3s include salmon and other oily fish, walnuts and certain other nuts. Good sources of vitamin B12 include seafood, eggs, and fortified milk. Dietary supplements also can supply these nutrients.
Source: American Chemical Society
:)))) How ca they write such articles?! I don't think this is wrong interpreted research but people actually lie!
Just to be honest, what about those people who have lost fat and improved their cardiovascular health markers while following low-carbohydrate, high-animal flesh diets like Atkins, paleolithic, or the primal blueprint? What about all those people that formerly followed vegan diets like 811 or McDougall Diet and have r.... What about those studies that show saturated fats are actually necessary and are not bad for the body at all? What about those studies that show that meat and products from grass-fed animals do not cause the same health problems as conventi...? What about the studies that show that cholesterol is a symptom of inflammation, and that this inflammatio...? What about those studies that show how meat actually contains many different amino acids like taruine, car...?
Were those people right all along? They seem to be living evidence, and have a huge database supporting their claims.
Are you a troll? If you eat many fruit, not even 100% raw, during enough time you will understand how only our disability of tasting meat by itself proves almost anything about this diet. For macdougall diet it is less direct.
Why are you wasting your time?
My apologies if I have rushed in my answer, it seems I misunderstood your questions, Sebastian.
Anyway, the word troll seems to have negative connotations by itself. I thought it was only a description.
I am new and there are many members on this forum, I don't know all of them.
I have had a discussion about similar points with a boy in a cetogenic diet based on animal products (saturated fat) and maybe it could be some difference between a high saturated fat and a high insaturated fat (from animal sources or from vegan sources) in the short term, but obviously not in the medium or long term.
Anyway, the sweet tooth is more and more the ultimate argument, the more holistic one, for me.
What a great post!
Thank you so much for sharing...
All the best, Peter
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Interesting! Just to add to this, here's a link from the National Institutes of Health-- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
Are human beings herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores?
Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
Wow, that's awesome info, does an animal have to have multiple stomachs like a cow to be classed as a herbivore, and aren't humans more frugivores?