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This is kind of the most confusing aspect that I can't wrap my head around...  I totally understand the low fat, low protein, living foods.  But I don't understand why fermented foods and herbs are not included in the recommendations on this forum?   They are low fat, low protein, they were definitively a natural part of the diet of primates and humans before we invented fire(the fermented foods were limited but they still existed to some degree such as fermenting fruit or pants that naturally fermented given the right conditions)

And I have only noticed benefits from consuming these.  I'm not talking about the herbs that are meant to "treat symptoms".  I'm taking about herbs that improve immunity, detoxify the liver, improve brain function, kill parasites, the tonics ect...  Basically, I feel much better including these and not only eating agriculture foods...  And just wanted to know your reasons for not consuming them?

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I am so glad somebody finally made a post about this! When I read that fermented foods are off-limits, my heart sank ( mostly because I LOVE apple cider vinegar and Kombucha tea). And although I have been able to cut the vinegar out of my life, I still drink a cup of Kombucha tea a day. 

And as far as medicinal herbs go, I lived on a farm with a man named Ed Bernhardt, who has written quite a few books on holistic health, medicinal herbs, and permaculture. The two months I was on the farm with him, I read a ridiculous amount of books over the medicinal properties of herbs that have been used for ages. My favorite being, 'Sastun: My Apprenticeship with a Maya Healer' by: Rosita Arvigo. Even though this book is mostly about Rosies apprenticeship, there is a notable amount of discussion about the healing powers of herbs versus the healing powers of faith (like the placebo effect). Spoiler Alert: After Rosies apprenticeship, she sent hundred of the herbs out to her science lab to verify any healing properties and discovered that MOST, albeit not all, but most of them were 'scientifically beneficial'.

Thats awesome, I'm glad you learned so much about herbs!  


Bravo Peter!


If you have to go around looking for reasons why something is good for you, and it's not obvious, then it probably isn't good for you. You may just be searching for validation to make yourself feel that it is okay and justified to consume these foods. But experimentation can be a good thing and you shouldn't necessarily accept something just because people tell you. Maybe try mono-ing on Kombucha and Sourkraut for a few weeks and see how you feel? ;)

That would be difficult because these foods don't have enough calories...

If you want your fermented foods and herbs, just have them. But please, stop insisting on it and asking for endorsement from people who are interested in sweet fruit & green leafy vegetables. 

The purpose of this thread was not to persuade or endorse, I was literally interested in the reasons people had for not consuming these foods...  I will be more careful in the future to prevent this misunderstanding.

Dude, I love kim chi. To me, there's nothing not raw about it.

I am new to this place though, so I may not fully understand.

edit: Also, to the gentleman noting on rotting food being discoloured and smelly, the kimchi I made a few months ago is still perfectly purple and preserved. I'll admit, I haven't been eating much of it after starting to try 80/10/10 and I'm going to leave it up on the shelf, but I did have to throw that information out there because it was an exception to the 'rotting rules' as they may be perceived. I also wonder about Kombucha, because it is alive, (does that not make it raw? I'm still a n00bie.)

But I am interested in the perspective of the other Daniel in this thread and what he has to say about salt, as the seasalt is what is keeping my Kimchi the way it is!.

because 811 is not about raw per se it is about getting enough carbs from whole ripe foods mainly fruit

this is not your typical raw i suggest you listen to some doug graham lectures on the issue and leave that stuff on the shelf  ;) and stick to sweet stuff 811rv if you can. and 811 when necessary to meet your caloric needs.

Hi Anthony

I don't agree with those who criticise you!

Herbs are proven to have therapeutic and healing properties . All who deny, go back to primary schools kids:)!

We supposed to have open minds people and not attack others (and bully!) when they are polite and asking questions...

Fruits are the best as a basic food BUT it is not the end of the spectrum!!!

Think outside the box! Even a box of bananas.



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