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There is nothing in science that suggests that humans are vegetarian. We can choose to be, just as we can choose to be Christians or Buddhists, but as a biological organism we are not vegetarians. Our big giant heads require huge amounts of dense protein. Our entire evolution is based on our brain's need for protein, including the evolution of all our organs, our ability to walk upright, and so forth. There are some decent 101 essays on my website.  I 'll post the link: http://www.verdasmedley.com/the-nectar-of-the-ancient-ones/  If someone wants to make a case for vegetarianism it is best to place that argument in an ethical context. Science does not support it otherwise. And that case is a piss poor one if it is reliant on untruths and misconceptions. We are omnivores who choose vegetarianism is far more respectable position.

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The works of Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr. Colin Campbell are quite convincing scientifically.

And here's a visual start:

thanks wind - your response is much appreciated 

Our big giant heads require huge amounts of dense protein.

That sounds like a well researched affirmation. How much protein do we need? Huge amouts, but not any type of protein, but dense one. Wrong buddy! Huge amounts of extremely dense protein. Protein powder is a very good candidate.

Our big giant heads... I can picture that..

If someone wants to make a case for vegetarianism it is best to place that argument in an ethical context. Science does not support it otherwise.

Come on vegans!!! We gave you the ethical (even thogh, we all know animals are dumb, our behavior, by treating them like a product/object, proves it), but don't you dare take the science from us. This all we have left. Maybe, but maybeeee.. we will give you the environamental aspect, but just so we can hold more tightly on to that scince stuff. Furthermore, you don't know how much ego and effort I put in building the 101 essays and research it. I am willing to filter any information, just so I can protect the paradigm.

Are you kidding me? Dr. Colin Campbell with his hidden grain promoting agenda?! Denise Minger beat the shit of him (even though he gave a reasonable reply: http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/china-study-author-colin-camp...). I will not even consider it.

Science does not support it otherwise. And that case is a piss poor one if it is reliant on untruths and misconceptions.

And I have the freedom to put any study into that category. China Study is based on untruth and misconceptions. Look how easy it is. I don't even need to read it, I can scan what blogger Denisse Minger had to say about it or just read her conclusion, and there you go, I have my own opinion.

We are omnivores who choose vegetarianism is far more respectable position

I have a tendancy to project the fallacy of my own lifestyle into veganism, and put statements like these, along with hidden agendas of the gurus colin cambpell, douglas graham, durianrider, caldwell esselstyn, neal barnard..

Just between you and me, the conpiracy theory rummors that they (the world leaders or something) are trying to make the population dumb by promoting veganism. (and I swear to you, a low carb promoter gave this replay to me on facebook yesterday...I think this is the latest gossip about veganism, they just need it as a reinfocement, and are using it like indirect insults :))


FDA, recommends 50g of protein
http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/GuidanceDocumentsRegulat...

RDA for an adult: 56g (man) - 46g (woman)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_Reference_Intake

"The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for both men and women is 0.80 g of good quality protein/kg body weight/d and is based on careful analyses of available nitrogen balance studies"
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/DRI/DRI_Energy/589-768.pdf

These are easily achived on a plant based diet and represent aprox 10% of the calories (where did I hear that before?!)

"There is little evidence that muscular activity increases de need for protein, except for the small amount required for the development of muscle during physical conditioning (Torun Et al., 1977). Vigourus activity to profuse sweating, such as in heavy work and sports, and exposure to heat increases nitrogen loss from the skin, but with acclimatization to a warm environement, the excessive skin loss is reduced and may be partially compensated by decreased renal excretion (World Health Organization, 1985). In view of the margin safety in the RDA, no increment is added or work or training."

Recommended Dietary Allowances 10th Edition: page 71. (http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309046335)

He can also type long term vegans, vegan bodybuilding on google or youtube and analyse their speech and reasoning, see if he feels any brain damage.

And what about the 700 million vegetarians and millions of vegans, brain damage?

Our entire evolution is based on our brain's need for protein...


Ohh...how did I missed this. Our entire evolution is based on or brain's need for protein. Wouldn't you know...

Check out what this: "Glucose is the form of sugar that travels in your bloodstream to fuel the mitochondrial furnaces responsible for your brain power. Glucose is the only fuel normally used by brain cells. Because neurons cannot store glucose, they depend on the bloodstream to deliver a constant supply of this precious fuel"

http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html

There is of course a place for protein in the brain, but not extra protein.  "Most neurotransmitters are made from amino acids obtained from the protein in food you consume", and all the essential amino acids are found in plants.

...including the evolution of all our organs, our ability to walk upright

Well that I didn't knew. My protein lack in the brain is making me not see the connection here with the organs. I can also reason that the need of blood to my small right finger is what drives my whole body into existence.

Our ability to walk upright... let's assume this as true. The most protein dense foods are meat, and we all know the fastest carnivore animals out there run on two legs not on four. The protein need of a cheetah make him stand up and run with only two legs. This is what I call something out of the untruths and misconceptions.

thanks rajavan - I appreciate your time to reply here - ill certainly pass on your info to educate the author.

Well she had better publish her findings quick because that is news to the scientific community! ;)

Two great talks with science to back them up.  Jon shared some links to go with Kerry's video:

In terms of the historicity of animal consumption, you might be interested in the last part of this article:http://www.30bananasaday.com/profiles/blogs/ancient-vegans-porphyry...

Here, the greek philosopher Porphyry gives us his understanding of the way in which animal consumption came to be, drawn from historical records and testimonies he was apparently in possession of (this is before the church started burning all such docs). What he says is very interesting and supports what you describe here but from another angle.

Also, for anyone interested in the shrinking brain part mentioned, see here:

http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-bra...

hahaha shell - thats the truth - thanks for the info - ill pass it on to them - its hard work trying to set peoples records straight without breaking them.

Complete and utter hogwash. 

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