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Hi all,

Some people here on 30BaD eat grains when they can't get enough fruit. Grains are better than meat and dairy, but they are far from perfect.

These are some of the symptoms you will probably experience if you eat grains (or cooked starches)...

Short-term symptoms:

  • Congestion
  • Head colds
  • Weakened immune system
  • Foul gas
  • Constipation
  • Dry skin and lips

Long-term symptoms

  • Enlarged, overworked pancreas (starches require more digestive enzymes than sugar)
  • Increased risk of cancer in pancreas, stomach, and esophogus
  • Nutrient deficiencies
  • Tooth decay
  • Damaged intestinal villi
  • Coeliac disease (wheat specifically)
  • Increased risk of arthritis
  • Hardened arteries and tissues (from mineral deposits)

Source: "Improving on Pritikin: Grains are for Birds" (PDF version attached)

The way I see it, the goal of food health is to maximize bodily nutrition while minimizing bodily harm. Fruits and leafy greens are the only foods that do both of those things. 

Grains do neither of these things. They are deficient in a number of important nutrients including potassium, calcium, vitamin A, C, E, and K, and they contain phytates that block the absorption of other important minerals including iron and zinc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid). Moreover, grains cause a significant amount of damage to the digestive system and the rest of the body because 1) they are acid-forming--leading to arthritis, cancer, weakened immune system, early aging and hardening of the arteries, 2) they contain substances that resist/irritate digestion--leading to damaged intestines, constipation, gas,etc, and 3) they are high in cooked starch--straining the digestive system and causing the pancreas to hypertrophy 2-3 times its normal size. Unfortunately, this damage occurs regardless of whether the body shows short-term symptoms.



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Very interesting, thanks for sharing that.


A lot of civilizations ate them, but we have to look at other factors.  What was their quality of life like?

In ancient Egypt for example, people had high rates of arthritis, and a common cause of death was premature death caused by rotting teeth and mouth infections. 

Many of these grain fed civilizations hardly lived past the age of 36. 

The sailors of the middle ages often struggled with scurvy because they ate high grain and meat diets.  They lacked vitamin C and other vitamins and minerals found in fruits and leafy greens. 

So for the sake of others reading and using this as an argument to eat grains, don't.  Grains are a cause of so many illnesses and premature deaths in the human condition.  They might make a good emergency back up food, but should not be our staples. 

They are not the staph of life, they are the staph of death.

For optimum health, medical studies have proven over and over that the optimum diet for humans is high in fruits and veggies.

Peace, PK

Hey PK, take a look over my post.  I'm the last person ever that would suggest a diet centered around grains.  You're preaching to the choir. :)


I know. 

Actually, sorry if you mistook as preaching.  I meant it as an extension of a discussion, I guess if we were talking face to face it would have made more sense. 

And sometimes I write things for others who might be reading too.  I think I even said that too, For the sake of others reading this...

Its all good stuff I hope, offers a paw of hand shaking. 

Peace, PK

Oh, no worries PK!  I meant that with a smile!  Your posts on this topic have kept me nodding my head in full agreement.  Thank you for your contribution to the discussion.


Absolutely right. I experienced these "short term symptoms" before I went raw in 1999 and then also eliminated grains of all types. It never ceases to amaze me at how great our bodies are at telling us exactly what to eat! once I stopped all the bad vegan food (including grains), eventually I suffered ZERO of any of those symptoms (and ANY cold or flu symptoms) ever again, no matter how slight. Of course there were a few healing reactions along the way at the start but nothing major since I had been eating relatively clean (compared to most people) 100% vegan bodybuilding lifestyle without any supplements not even coffee, not even wine (yuk) or beer (major yuk) since 1985. 

But it still amazes me how most people still eat these items and they suffer, yet they never make the connection! Then again, I did too when I didn't know OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, feel, any better. 

Once we become aware of how health is supposed to feel... then we can appreciate how to achieve it. Quite simple, really.... in fact it is incredibly simple- just pay attention to your Motivational Triad (Dr Doug Lisle)

Great that you posted this Danny.


Other Misc Info:

Type 1 Diabetes:

Grains can also contribute to Type 1 diabetes in several ways.  One is what you stated that the pancreas may be overworked, swollen, etc. 

The body reacts to the proteins in grains and will send out special cells to neutralize those proteins.  It is the similar reaction that causes some organ transplant patients to reject their organs.  But sometimes those cells cannot differentiate between proteins in grains and or animal products, and attacks the pancreas and other organs.  The pancreas may be one of the first organs to shut down, and when it does, insulin production decreases or ceases, and thus Type 1 diabetes is developed along with a life long need to inject insulin. 

Nowadays, we have record numbers of children being fed infant formula that is both animal and soy product based, and guess what?  We also have record numbers of Type 1 diabetes. 


Auto Immune diseases:

The same mechanism that attacks the pancreas may attack other parts of the body and cause autoimmune diseases like you mentioned such as arthritis, but other things too like lupus, and chronic fatigue syndrome. 


Heart disease and Artherosclerosis:

The media would like to convince people that the only cause of artherosclerosis is eating a high cholestrol diet.  But big surprise here, people who eat animal products have a 40% chance of getting heart disease.  People who eat SAD Vegan, have a 30% chance.  That is only a 10% reduction for all of their efforts.

So how can grains cause heart disease and or atherosclerosis?  Atherosclerosis is hardening of the arteries (or blood vessels.)  There are many possible causes of this condition with one of them being when grains are eaten, and acid condition is formed in the body that will be buffered by pulling calcium from the bones.  This calcium in the blood can cause problems like kidney stones, but can also from calcification and hardening of the blood vessels.  If this happens around the heart, these blood vessels may eventually become blocked and can still cause heart attack. 


In conclusion,

People should think of grains like sand paper.  Ever leave a piece of bread out and feel how dry it gets?  It will feel rough to the touch.  On a microscopic level, these grains will tear up the digestive system. 

While it is true that most people will not get a harsh reaction eating them once, or for a short period of time, grains will eventually decrease overall quality of life and life span. 

Thanks for sharing this, Peace, PK

taken from dr mcdougall's newsletter:

Established Benefits of Eating Whole Grains

Lowers Cholesterol

Lowers Blood Sugar

Lowers Insulin Levels

Lowers IGF-1 Levels

Reduces Risk of Thrombosis

Reduces Heart Attack Risk

Reduces Risk of Type-2 Diabetes

Reduces Risk of Obesity

Reduces Insulin Resistance

Lowers Colon Cancer Risk

Lowers Gastric Cancer Risk

Improves Bowel Function

Accelerates Bowel Transit Time

Delays Gastric Emptying

Relieves Constipation

Increases “Good” Bowel Bacteria (bifidobacteria)

Decreases ”Bad” Bowel Bacteria (E. Coli)

Provides Anti-oxidant Activity

In the English language, we have descriptive words like good, better, and best.  

For basic short term survival a SAD diet is good.

Taking animal products out of the diet and replacing them with grains might be better and reduces our risks of your above said diseased, but only by a about 10%.  SAD people have about 40% of getting above stated diseases.  Grain fed vegans have 30%. 

Why not go for best and to cure and prevent above diseases?

A whole fresh raw fruit and leafy green based diet with little or no overt fats and nuts?

Peace, PK

Interesting thread.
What to expect if you eat grains... The truth is - you never really know unless you try and see how they make you feel.
It really depends on your level of health and many other factors... It's going to be different from person to person, some would get no symptoms at all while others would get some symptoms.
I think if you eat them very little and very rarely, e.g. once a year then there will be no health problems in any case so you could expect NOTHING other than maybe feeling more tired and slower digestion.
To really expect some symptoms you'd have eat a reasonable amount and regularly.

I sometimes eat soaked in water crushed oats/porridge. I leave in the jar overnight to soak and then eat.



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