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I noticed it's got a lot of aminos, is there anything else that meat has that romaine doesn't have?

I noticed romaine has a lot of protein and low fat compared to say a steak.

Also, why do people eat nuts/seeds? What are the benefits?




I'm looking into eating a higher protein and fat diet, and been looking at a list of diets 811, zone, paleo. Zone seems pretty high in protein and fats, but I do want to try something more like this.

Is it best to eat lowest calories to the ratio of nutrients? Since fruits and veg seem like they are.
Anyone know some low gi, low carb, low sugar fruits?

I'm trying to go zone, but still vegan w/out eating a ton of vegan protein powders and eat some fruit, so I thought heavy greens, seeds/nuts, no oils and some low cal/low carb fruit.


I noticed this is probably not the best forum to post, but some of you guys seem very wise and probably have been in my situation before. Thanks guys!

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come to high carb lifestyle!

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Hey

Are you for real? Firstly, why are you wanting to go on a high fat high protein diet?

The standard raw diet is basically the diet you are talking about, minus the oil. But note that a diet in nuts is extremely high in polynsaturated fats, especially omega 6. It isn't recommended to get more than 10% of calories from polyunsaturated fats (note, not total fat but polyunsaturated fats). The british governments publication on DRV's states that diets that contain >10% calories from PUFA's increases the risk of cancer.

It would be possible to increase your fat intake on a raw diet from coconut (which is high in saturated fat, but not PUFA) and olives (high in monounsaturated fats but low in PUFAs), but there are possible concerns here too. Although the Medium chain fatty acids in coconuts do have less damaging effects than animal sources of saturated fats, there are still concerns with having too much saturated fat in the diet. The cell membranes in the body are made up of different types of fats. Polyunsaturated fats need to predominate here, because they increase the permeability of the membrane to ensure that proteins in the membrane (Eg. receptors) can move easily and allow for the transport of nutrients in and wastes out of the cells. Saturated fats by contrast make the membranes less permeable and more rigid, which can prevent this occurring thus impairing cell function. 

Olives, despite being high in monounsaturated fats, are not actually high in calories. So you would have to eat obscene quantities of olives to get enough fat in your diet.

When you have large amoutns of nuts and seeds in the diet it also becomes less easy to balance the phosphorus content and the acid load of the high protein with calcium from dark green leafy vegetables to offer the alkalising benefits. You would have to consume large amounts of green juices from collards, pak choi (bok choy) and eat large quantities of these too, in order for you to get anywhere near close to this.

It is possible to design a diet that you are talking about but the real question is why would you want to? And what are you doing here if that is the sort of diet you are looking to follow? Every other raw food forum that is not focused on the low fat approach is basically promoting the type of diet you are talking about (with the difference being that many of them also encourage gourmet foods and oils).

Are you looking for weight loss? That is usually why people like high protein diets. Be warned that people always "cheat" on high protein diets for a reason. High protein diets were only ever consumed in our history out of desperation - when there was no other food available. The weightloss comes about because of a starvation response. And the body always responds to starvation response when body fat starts to get low on such a diet, by binging on high carb, high fat, high calorie foods at the earliest opportunity. And so begins the "Im weak" guilt-shame-drama complex that traps people into thinking the diet is right, but they are wrong.

If a diet is difficult to stick to, it is for a reason. Sometimes people aren't psychologically ready for a change (eg. the social/emotional implications of a diet). But very often it is because it is nutritionally inadequate in some way. When people don't stick to this diet (lfrv) for example, I believe two of the most common reasons are insufficient calories, insufficient protein (either total, or of specific amino acids), or insufficient fat (EFA's) or insufficient vitamins/minerals. In that order. Calories are always the priority, and protein is next in line. We don't need a high protein diet to get enough protein. We just need to be careful that when we exclude food groups, we are monitoring our amino acid intakes in the early stages and carefully designing the diet to include adequate sources.

On a high protein diet, the main concern of course is both calories, as well as carbohydrates. For sure, they work to dramatically reduce weight on the body for this reason - but this isn't sustainable long term for this reason. If a diet contains insufficient calories from carbohydrates, such that it is necessary to catabolise and adipose (fat) tissue from the body  in order to oxidise it for fuel, then this means that the diet inherently cannot provide enough nutrients unless it is adapted to eventually increase the carbohydrate content once weight loss is complete. The risk is that when carbohydrates are excluded and ketogenesis is increased, the body begins to be more conservative with carbohydrate use when it is consumed - using less for energy and storing more as fat, in preparation for another famine. It is a vicious cycle.

Good luck with your diet if you decide to go with it. If you want short-term weight loss, it will definitely work. You will feel like crap though. Your digestion will stink. And eventually, you will go off the diet and start eating more carbohydrates, and probably the wrong kinds. And you will most likely gain the weight back, possibly a little more too.

Take care

Adam x

@Adam,

+1

When you have large amoutns of nuts and seeds in the diet it also becomes less easy to balance the phosphorus content and the acid load of the high protein with calcium from dark green leafy vegetables to offer the alkalising benefits. You would have to consume large amounts of green juices from collards, pak choi (bok choy) and eat large quantities of these too, in order for you to get anywhere near close to this.

Peace, PK

 

You don't give one logical reason why you want to eat a higher protein/fat diet.

@Datiger,

We do not eat meat because of health and ethical reasons.  

http://www.tcolincampbell.org/courses-resources/articles/

http://circleofcompassion.org/links.html

Try to think of animals as friends and not food, and that as we stab, so shall we be stabbed.  We drive through McDonald's on our way to drive through out patient surgeries.  

*********

Why not keep doing your raw fruit diet, but supplement with 1-2 pounds (1kg) or about two heads of romaine and or lettuce a day.  Give it a 30 day trial and see how  you feel. 

Benefits of eating greens include

  1. Higher Mineral Content of Greens Compared to Some Fruits
  2. Calcium Phosphorus Ratio 1:1 
  3. Chlorophyll and Magnesium
  4. Cobalt and Vitamin b12 Precurser
  5. Green Consumption in Primates
  6. Prevention and Healing with Diet 
  7. Oral Health
  8. Edible Greens: Leafy Lettuces

Read more here: Benefits of Lettuce Greens

It may be better to focus on greens more than nuts.  However, some people do feel fine and or better eating a few nuts a day.  Greens and nuts contain cobalt which may promote human gut bacteria to produce vitamin b12.  

When planning a diet, keep the focus on raw fruits and leafy greens.  Eating starchy foods such as legumes, tubers, and whole grain flours and breads, are ok on an emergency basis, but keep in mind the following:

  1. Vitamin C and Nutrient Deficiencies
  2. Cooking Deficiencies
  3. Toxins and Calcium Interference
  4. Importance of Calcium
  5. Poor Calcium Phosphorus Ratios 
  6. High in Protein
  7. High Blood Sugar and Hyperinsulinsm
  8. Promotion of Weight Gain
  9. Problems With Whole Grains 

Read more here:  Starchy Foods vs Fruit n Lettuce

Oranges are one of the lower carb and lower sugar fruits.  Bananas may be on the higher end and contain starch.  Even on low carb diets, greens are usually considered free foods and can be eaten in unlimited quantities, and berries are promoted as well.

Peace, PK

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