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I've always feed my dog Amber normal dog food but I know how bad it is for her & it still kills animals (obviously)!

I figure if I feed her vegan she would be more healthy and if she wants meat she will catch something herself, right?

I also just got a second dog too, his name is Reggie! I just want them to be healthy and happy dogs of course and ideally vegans!... Is that wrong?


What are your thoughts?

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dear Alexa, dogs are not originally carnivores, but rather omnivores as they eat significant amounts of plant matter in the wild. furthermore, we must observe that a species ideal diet does not have to be restricted to what its superficial physiology or natural habits indicate; and in the case of domesticated animals it is even meaningless to speak of a 'natural' or original diet.

all that matters is that there are certain diets that work for certain species, and others that don't. experience has shown that vegan dogs as at least as healthy as their non-vegan counterparts, which indicates the possibility of feeding dogs a vegan diet without incurring in any losses.

that alone indicates to me that feeding such a diet to domesticated dogs is an ethical imperative, just as much as following a vegan diet ourselves.

Right on F&N!

Alexa, please check out the link below and make sure you post within the guidelines:

http://www.30bananasaday.com/notes/Animal_Sanctuary_and_30BaD_No_Ki...

excellent post f&n!

people misinterpret the superficial aspects of physiology and incorrectly apply the concept of species specific, just as you say.

the game is played something like this desperately moving the goal posts:

  • they must eat meat to survive! … ooops i'm wrong about that because there are plenty of them alive … so
  • they must eat meat to thrive! … ooops that's wrong too because comparison by any parameter (activity, energy, temperament, coat quality etc) shows them comparable or even better to meat-eating counterparts … so
  • well it's not their optimal diet, damn it! … ooops i can't demonstrate this either especially considering they (at least dogs as per survey - see uploaded file) don't get many of the same illneas their meat-eating counterparts … so all I'm left with is …
  • they must eat meat because they have big teeth! ya!! that's gotta do the job!!

While this observation is correct, it doesn't offer much to the argument since many creatures are herbivores who happen to have big teeth such as gorillas, hippopotamuses, elephants and even a classified carnivore, the giant panda whose diet consists almost exclusively of bamboo shoots.

http://yourcybercourt.info/arveg/vegpets.html#sec-2-2

not only do many major dog food companies offer a veg line these days, even the bastions of vets and scientists via

COMMITTEE ON NUTRIENT REQUIREMENTS OF DOGS AND CATS

is coming around admitting that dogs

can thrive on a vegetarian
diet. Regardless of whether the protein comes
from plant or animal sources, normal adult dogs should
get at least 10% of their total calories from protein. Older
dogs appear to require somewhat more protein to maintain
their protein reserves, perhaps as much as 50% more.
see this post by ednshell

or get one of the actual documents - see uploaded file (doesn't contain the actual quote above).

in friendship,

prad

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vegans dogs? sure! there's nothing wrong with that! in fact that's the only ethical thing to do!

there's plenty of info around about that:

Vegan cats and dogs

ask prad.

there are lots of vegan dog food brands out there. you can also make your own. there are youtube recipes for vegan dog food out there in internet land. Gary Yourofsky talks a little about his dog being vegan in his ( best speach you'll ever hear Q and A ) My mom feeds her pooch a vegan diet because it is better for the dogs allergies. there is lots of info out there. BEHOLD GOOGLE AND ITS AWESOMENESS!!!!

hope this helps ^.^

holy shizzat!!!! a super pug would be the awesomest thing EVER!

greetings allison! welcome to 30bad!

there is plenty of info on 30bad about vegan pets dealing with both the health and ethical aspects.

vegan dogs have been around a long time and tend to have better health than their meat-eating counterparts.

you may want to look at these links in addition to what f&n posted:

vegan dogs (the definitive thread which contains several other links)

vegan pets (herbivore lion's group)

and this ever expanding resource:

vegpets

as well as dr andrew knight's site:

http://www.vegepets.info/

in friendship,

prad

Thanks everyone! :) you helped a lot

You've got lots of info to check out, I'll add that I recall reading in Ani Phyo's book, uh, Ani's Raw Food Kitchen, that she feeds her dog raw and vegan. She had a recipe and a solid paragraph or two about it... Pictures of her dog too, who looked fantastic and healthy and happy :)

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