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Tim Van Orden´s Quote from Arnolds Interview at W.Fruit Festival:

"I do 105 miles running a week + i do other things other than running.

its about 18 hours a week and i am consuming maybe 2500 calories a day.

2500-2800 calories a day" Here is the interview


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90OYUAH-d3A   listen at 6minutes 30 !!!


Tim Van Orden, elite stair climber:

"My total daily caloric intake is around 1,500 calories. Far below what sports nutritionists would recommend for someone with my training schedule… and yet I build and carry too much muscle for a runner… figure that one out. "





Maybe Tim Van Orden lives on air or light-energy to become an elite athlete on starvation mode calorie intake. Its impossible to even maintain some fitness on 1500 calories a day. And he talks about doing elite training on 1500 calories a day.


Is Tim Van Orden a miracle man? Is Tim Van Orden a breatharian? 


i think

Believing in Breatharianism is the same like thinking george w. bush is a reptilian that shape shifts from to time,


"How would you describe your training program?

I run 6 days a week. Mileage per week is between 45 and 65 miles. The vast majority of my runs (unless mountain trail) are done at a 6:40 to 7:10 pace. Twice a week I'll do a hard run; one being uphill for 20 minutes to an hour, and the other being a "flat" road race at a 5:00 to 5:20 pace. I also incorporate some form of leg strength and leg strength endurance 3 times a week, i.e. stationary bike, elliptical machine, squats, lunges, stairmaster. For the leg strength endurance, I'll engage in an activity at a barely sustainable pace for 15:00 to 25:00 – this simulates the leg burn experienced in a stair climb race."

source http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bio_tim


Running 65 miles a week on 1500 calories a day? Thats insane, Thats impossible.


For me their are only 2 options:


1.Tim Van orden is a breatharian.I dont think thats true.

2. Tim Van Orden doesnt tell the truth about his caloric intake. I dont think thats true either.


Are you as confused as me?


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1) not even people here everything about nutrition (big surprise)

2) if he's estimating, he could be estimating wrong

I guess that's why he occasionally binges on 30-40 Larabars a day.

I personally think he needs to accurately monitor his caloric intake for an entire month for us to get to the bottom of this.
Was that in the interview!?

I guess that's why he occasionally binges on 30-40 Larabars a day.



He said it on a youtube clip a while ago but cannot find it. I know a lot of other people on 30bad heard it as it was a topic of discussion. Anyone remember which clip?

I personally think he needs to accurately monitor his caloric intake for an entire month for us to get to the bottom of this.


- agreed. However, the depression factor suggests to me that he is undereating

I don't think so.

Then he's saying two different things. He's also said that as late as 6-9 months ago he was hit with some severe depression.


How confusing.

I think Tim's a great guy but some of his info is dangerous in my opinion.


His website still says that he eats less than 2000 calories a day. That needs to get changed asap as it's been over a year that he said it was "probably" closer to about 2500. That info caused me to crash 2 years ago as I didn't think calories were that important and that the enzymes were important etc. I got most of my info from Tim at the time due to him being the only raw athlete I knew at the time.


Great guy, just some bad pseudo-scientific info. I wish all the best to him and hope his battle with depression soon ends.


Love ya' Tim.

I also think his reasoning for eating higher fat before bed is rather unfounded.


He says that our muscles don't contain the enzyme glucose-6-phosphatase to break down muscle glycogen to sugar for the blood-stream (i.e. muscle glycogen is used EXCLUSIVELY for the muscles). And so once we've depleted our liver glycogen (for the brain) part way through the night while sleeping that our body will cannabilise our muscles for blood sugar needed for the brain. So if we don't eat fat for a slower release of energy for the blood and hence the brain at night time while asleep then we'll wake up in a state of brain, but not muscle ketosis?

How many people here wake up in the morning feeling like they have brain ketosis but not muscle ketosis? This flies in the face of what all physiology textbooks have written about glycogen breakdown and ketosis.


Here's what i've pieced together. Our muscle DO contain glucose-6-phosphatase, just in much lower concentrations than the liver. This is what is thought to be an attempt at sparing muscle glycogen for the muscles but if needed CAN be used for blood sugar and hence the brain.


If anyone knows something more then please chime in. It's just that what Tim said at WFF made no sense whatsoever whichever way I looked at it.



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