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I have a friend who is threatening me to lose respect for her by her recent choice of locavorism over veganism.

 

What are some good solid points that one can make about veganism over localvorism? Sorry that I don't have any factual data between the two at the moment, but I do believe being vegan and local are ideal, however locavorism is unrealistic since it's impossible to follow 100%, not to mention the lack of compassion there.

 

Any thoughts? MANY THANKS!!

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Localvore is good if it was realistic but you rely on the farms around you for your food and the farms around me here basically focus on very few fruits lots of veggies, milk, and meat.  It could be all fruit here in Pennsylvania but it would take work and a few years of planting the right trees sustainably using permaculture but no one is doing that around here yet.  I think thats where we are headed though is more of a local permaculture based way of eating but i do believe it could be low fat and high fruit if we wanted, if we had to eat potatoes in the winter to keep alive till we figured out how to preserve enough fruit for next winter that would be fine too.  Remember there is more in common with you both than not, your reasons for taking on such extreme diets compared to the norm are probably very similar.

 

PS, i am sorry meat is a survival food and i am not that desperate.  You must cook it and flavor it to render edible which means its not a natural food source for us.

I can never justify the consumption of animals, nor their parts. It just sickens me. Like, whatever happened to natural human decency and compassion? I cannot see how one can choose locavorism over sometihng as compassionate as veganism. Why choose? Why not have the best if you can attain it?

 

Personally, I believe choosing locavorism over veganism is a cop-out, and whoever does that, is most certainly undercarbed. How can you decide to go back to meat and dairy after having been exposed to so much craziness? I understand people have to experiment and choose what is right for themselves, however I cannot justify nor allow someone to make such a decision when it directly affects other being's lives and well-beings.

 

Not everyone lives next to a farm, and not everyone can afford organic. But we can alter the choices that we make daily to allow us to have access to the best in any given situation. Being a locavore easily opens up the possibility for one to become starved, binge-prone, anorexic, emaciated, etc. It's not realistic for everyone.

This has been talked about before, try searching on here, you might come across it.  Basically when you add the pollution from cooking, water use, mono crop instead of the 3D fruit plantings where lots of life forms can live in harmony, it is better to eat fruit from afar than local in the cold climate, especially animals.  Dr. Graham's book Grain Damage has a lot of good info. on this.  It's just such a great book over all, a great addition to the 811 book!

Many thanks for your thoughts on this issue guys! I just did some searching and found some answers that are relevant to my issue here... SO GLAD that I have 30BaD as a resource. I really cannot understand why someone can go vegan and then leave it altogether. I suppose this friend of mine really didn't go vegan for the right reasons. I honestly do not see environmentalism as a good reason. Compassion for both animals and the planet together are much more impactful for the body and mind than trying to follow another fad that only leads to self-destruction and dullness!

 

I also learned that my friend believes the critiques of the CHINA STUDY, so I will be very happy to provide her with the awesome most recent research conducted that invalidates everything Denise Minger feeds as truth!

 

Just came across this video by Harley. Couldn't have come at a greater time!

 

Thanks again my beautiful 30BaDa$$es!

 

 

I just wanted to bump this discussion and especially this reply.  Lately I've been getting some gaff about my fruit coming from afar.  Now I can say well, most of the food's carbon fruit print (ha! I meant footprint!) comes from production, and if I'm buying bulk organic dates from California it's so much better then buying heavily sprayed apples from Maine, or any meat/dairy products.  Right now local vores up here in Maine can buy root vegatables from the fall, potatoes and frozen blueberries.  I could certainly live off that if I chose but no one else I know would be is willing to;  instead the options have to include local meat, dairy and grains.  And of course to be followed by expensive supplements and lots of sickness.  I say SHIP IT!  Bring me the fruit and I will have more energy and mental clarity to make a positive difference on this earth.

I got so much judgement about my bananas from people in Maine...

I still have friends in Maine who never eat a banana.

I also felt that the locavore movement was especially strong in Maine. Mostly because most of the economy comes from things being produced within the state.

Yes, and it's some of my closest friends that are supporting non vegan localvorism over my lovely bananas and dates from afar. 

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Locavorism is just eating a locally sourced diet-- it doesn't mean you have to grow it yourself, and it can fit any diet. It doesn't include meat and cheese in the description. Why do we have to go bashing it exactly?

Where I live, in SE Michigan, it's quite easy to eat a high-carb low-fat diet 100% locally year-round. In the summer you eat fruit based, in the winter starch-based. Just a small list of the things available to me at the local market (at various times of the years) is tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, cucumber, lettuce, kale, swiss chard, collard greens, herbs, peaches, grapes, cantaloupe, honeydew, watermelon, cherries, apples, pawpaws, blueberries, raspberries, persimmons, pears, squash of all types (kabocha, butternut, pumpkin, spaghetti, and more), parsnips, carrots, potatoes (yukon, red, white, fingerling), sweet potatoes (white, orange, Japanese, and more varieties), buckwheat, corn, onion, garlic, leeks.

And that list doesn't even included the list of stuff grown here that I don't eat-- wheat, barley, oats, rye, beans of every variety (including soybeans), walnuts, sunflower seeds, and probably a few other things I'm forgetting.

So as you can see, eating local on a vegan diet can be quite eco-friendly. There is no reason to think that eating local means you have to eat meat. Most places in the world grow at least one starchy or fruity staple.

"tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, cucumber, lettuce, kale, swiss chard, collard greens, herbs, peaches, grapes, cantaloupe, honeydew, watermelon, cherries, apples, pawpaws, blueberries, raspberries, persimmons, pears, squash of all types (kabocha, butternut, pumpkin, spaghetti, and more), parsnips, carrots, potatoes (yukon, red, white, fingerling), sweet potatoes (white, orange, Japanese, and more varieties), buckwheat, corn, onion, garlic, leeks."

Which of these raw foods can you buy locally in the winter?  If you're eating a cooked vegan diet it would work for sure if all that was available. I know lots of locavores but none that are hcrv.

 

Dont' get me wrong - I would more than love to someday step out my doorway and pick fresh mangoes!  But as it is there is little available local in the north in the winter.

I have noticed that winter comes in stages. Only now, as we enter February, is it tougher to get ahold of raw food-- now it's down to carrots, esentially. Up until now I have had a non-stop supply of apples, we had greens until December, and we even had tomatoes and peppers ripening on the counter until Thanksgiving (we picked them unripe before the first freeze). During the height of summer and at the fall harvest, we dried tomatoes, peaches, berries, kale, and more to re-hydrate and enjoy as a taste of summer. We have a large shelf of home canned fruits as well.

Some people eat starch part of the time because of financial difficulty, some because they live far away from the store and can't restock if they unexpectedly run out. As far as I know, this is a practice that 30BAD understands. I eat starch because their is limited/no fruit available where I live at certain times of the year. Sure, there is trucked in fruit at the store down the road, and I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been perfect (I was still buying bananas and mangoes occasionally up until a couple weeks ago).

I feel it is perfectly logical that I eat what is available to me. I don't use that as an excuse to eat salt or oil, or excessive spices, or grains (I tried that and it wasn't a good experience!). For the most part, I'm still eating mostly mono. It's just that I'm buying cases of potatoes and sweet potatoes instead of cases of bananas!

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