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Hey,

A dude wrote this in response to me talking about this diet.

Since I'm very new to 80-10-10 I'm curious about what more knowledgeable people than me will say in response?

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"Do you know any athletes outside of the endurance world who can follow an 80-10-10 diet? I can promise you it will not work for the majority of
athletes who participate in intense strength-based training since the
body cannot function with only 10% protein. As mentioned previously
there are things called essential amino acids and essential fatty acids.
Depending on someone's caloric intake, 10% of fat and protein may not
be enough to get those essential nutrients.

And I fear that eating 80% carbohydrates, especially in the form of fruits, would
slowly cause health problems. Forcing so much sugar into your body leads
to an insulin spike produced by your body. If your body has to produce
insulin that frequently, eventually it will result in insulin
resistance, which is believed to be one of the causes of metabolic
syndrome and type 2 diabetes."

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you friend's condescending attitude is exceeded only by his ignorance. :)

I can promise you it will not work for the majority of
athletes who participate in intense strength-based training since the
body cannot function with only 10% protein.


the fact is NO ONE needs more than 10% calories from protein, 5-6% is adequate for human growth according to T. Colin Campbell who's professor emeritus of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell U which is the leading nutrtiotional institute in the world. Protein unlike fats and carbs to a certain extent cannot be stored by the body, so if you consume too much your body has to break the proteins down which produces uric acid eliminate this through your kidneys (uric acid contributes to arthritis, gout and kidney stones btw). More than 10% calories from protein causes cancer in lab animals, diets high in animal protein have been correlated with increased risk of virtually every major chronic disease known to humans from heart disease to diabetes to cancer to autoimmune diseases to obesity.

Yeesh just take a look at some of the body builders on this site, when your friend says strength based training requires more than 10% calories he ain't talking through his mouth.


Depending on someone's caloric intake, 10% of fat and protein may not
be enough to get those essential nutrients.


Well of course, if you need to be eating 3000 calories and you only eat 1000 calories you're not going to be getting enough fat or protein, or most things. If you eat enough calories unless your a completely sedentary 90 yr old woman perhaps lol you get enough protein.


And I fear that eating 80% carbohydrates, especially in the form of fruits, would
slowly cause health problems.


Consult 'Healthy at 100' by John Robbins, the world's longest lived peoples eat a low fat high carbohydrate diet. So do the rural chinese (at least back in the 80s) as examined in the China Study, they have lower incidence of chronic disease all around compared to the majority of westerners and their high 'quality protein' intake.

If your body has to produce
insulin that frequently, eventually it will result in insulin
resistance, which is believed to be one of the causes of metabolic
syndrome and type 2 diabetes.


uh huh show me the all the chimps and bonobos on insulin. there are type 1 diabetics on 811, were this true they'd all be in a diabetic coma right now. and I promise you their pancreas didn't lose it's ability to produce adequate insulin from consuming too much fruit. Insulin restistance or type 2 diabetes is caused by too much fat AND too much carbs. low fat high carb no problemo amigo.
hey I would too :)

do you have any idea where his office is (assuming he still has one)? it'd be cool to meet the dude.
Awesome response. I have to clarify though, it's not a friend. It's a random commenter on a forum about running.
I posted about this diet there and his response is as you read.

Would you mind if I copy/paste your response? I don't want to get into a urinating competition with this guy, but it would be sweet if he at least would walk away with some new information.
thanks Nick, go right ahead. feel free to edit it for any typos which I see I've made now :)
Done, thanks!
I'll let you know how I will be ridiculed and dismissed, when he gets back to me ;)
I know what you mean :) I don't however look at this as trying to convince someone else. I looks at this as me having learned something from you guys by posting some other guys comments.
It helps me clarify the information provided to me, helping me get the knowledge base to weed out the rubbish.
Response:

"A couple of things.

First, I'm aware of no research that indicates high protein diets are harmful to normal-functioning kidneys. If you're ware of such, I'd appreciate a link or reference.

And we're not talking about something that a few people have occasionally tried. Athletes have literally been consuming significant amounts of protein for decades.

Second, the balance of the peer-reviewed, scientific literature reveals a consensus of from 1.2-2.0 grams/kg of bodyweight per day in protein for the needs of athletes, which, for a person of my bodyweight, amounts to maybe 10-25% of calorie needs per day, depending on the activity level.

However, there is still disagreement on this point. One recent study, for instance, found that elite endurance athletes (cyclists) needed at least 1.9 grams/kg of bodyweight in protein per day to stay in positive nitrogen balance. Several well-respected sports nutritionist, in fact, recommend from between 2-3 grams of protein/kg of bodyweight, per day.

Obviously, despite what Cornell professors may have said, there's disagreement on this point among competent professionals.

Finally, I don't really agree with scskowron's concerns about insulin response to a high carb diet, either, or his concerns about fruit."
Hi Acey,

I'm hanging strong in this diet. I posted a "hello" when I joined stating that I'm running a 30 day trial in the month of April and blogging about it daily.
A year ago I read a book that made me significantly reduce my meat consumption, I switched to soy milk and I started spending most time in the produce isles.
Up till a little over a week ago I had never heard of this diet, I jumped right in feeling it made a lot of sense, plus doing this for 30 days will provide an insight into my body as well as clean out some bad habits that keep sneaking back into my life.

I stopped the posting back and forth while everyone is still being civil. This is certainly an area that I imagine can bring about some heated discussions and I don't feel I can answer hardly anything asked yet.

I received "The 80/10/10 Diet) today and can't wait to read it. I'll follow up with "The China Study".

And all the scientific debates aside. I'm a mere seven/eight days into this month, and although I'd enjoy a bowl of rice with green peas, I feel amazing physically.
Pam Boteler - sprint canoe. Intense strength-based training and performance.

Read about her in Vibrance magazine: http://tinyurl.com/Vibrance2-4949

Also, the insulin thing is clearly explained in the 80 10 10 book.
Back in the 60's and 70's there was a bodybuilding trainer named Vince Gironda "The Iron Guru" said that 3% protein was enough.

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