Firstly, My names Mark. I'm a 41yo Dude in Oregon. Nice to meet you guys!
I apologize for this ambitious "first" post, but I'm really looking for some help. I don't know where else to go.
I started 80 10 10 today but I'm having some reactions. I've been vegan for almost 3 years now. Mostly a diet of leafy salads and legumes etc.
I was doing ok today up until I had a 3 banana smoothie with 6 dates, that was about 12pm. Then I started feeling tingling and numbness in my hands and feet (after getting home from a weight training session and HIIT spinning session)
Earlier tonight I got up quickly and started to feel dizzy. The numbness and tingling hasn't gone away yet. I also feel more stressed out, which is weird.
After some reading, an MD found this problem common from "blood sugar disturbance which is related to diabetes, hypoglycemia and Peripheral Neuropathy. More likely, it is due to subtle nutrient imbalances, or perhaps an effect of the sugar besides arteriosclerosis".
Now I'm certinaly not seeing a doctor! Been there done that. I know of one naturalpathic doctor here, she will tell me to stop doing this and add protein and fat.
I've done several blood sugar tests weeks prior and everything comes out normal.
Any insight on this?
Theses symptoms are linked to B12 and/or iodine deficiencies.
What are your intake of these?
Thanks for the reply.
I take no B12 supplements.
Prior to this I have had no issues. How could it suddenly become an issue now.
You were using your stored B12. An adult have about 4 years of B12 stored in the body, so, the deficiency generally shows few years after the transition to a vegan diet.
Hmm. I'll get my levels checked.
I still don't understand how it could be all of a sudden.
It would make no sense for it to be about B12, since the intake of that vitamin is exactly the same on both vegan and fruitarian diet, since neither contain animal foods. It is probably more about the sudden change, the combination of the two fruits (we all are wired a little differently in points in time due to culture) - or maybe you aren't used to such amounts of sugars in one go? Both leafy greens and legumes are very slow energy sources, so your body might need time to understand the new carb-party :)
In all cases, sure it's good to be certain, so do get your self tested :)
Apologize for my English, hope it makes sense - not a native speaker.
only thing that comes to mind is that you've run out of B12
"After some reading, an MD found this problem common from "blood sugar disturbance which is related to diabetes, hypoglycemia and Peripheral Neuropathy. More likely, it is due to subtle nutrient imbalances, or perhaps an effect of the sugar besides arteriosclerosis".
No offense but this sounds like hogwash to me...this is the only time in your life that this has ever happened with the tingling? Did you ever take statistics class? Learn about causation? While it is possible the bananas did it to you, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater so to speak. Could have nothing to do with your diet.
Id cut out the dates for now...try another banana smoothie...no workout. See how you feel. That is the logical next step right?
How many calories have you been eating? Any history of health issues? This has NEVER happened before? How is your weight training coming along? Was it a normal workout?
seems like it's b12. start taking a 1000 supp or even more for a while.
then go down to 500
Just speaking from experience here-- before I went on HCLFV lifestyle I was diagnosed with hypoglycemia but did not think it was so severe because I was eating a SAD low carb diet and did not feel the effects. The second I started eating raw I would get this numbness/tingling/dizziness/lack of concentration after meals/stress and anxiety, especially eating high sugar fruits such as dried fruit, dates, bananas, and mangos. I'm not saying that is your problem, especially if you came from a diet of mostly greens and legumes with little to no processed sugar or "bad" carbs, but I am saying that those were my symptoms, especially after working out when my blood sugar would drop too low. Did you work out before or after your meal?
Yes this rings more true for me. What is happening to me is exactly what you described. I could not concentrate and felt restless and stressed the rest of the day as well. I have had reactions to sugar in the past. But I thought this would be different as Dr Graham notes that Sugar + Fat = High blood sugar. I guess in my case the fat wasn't required. Also dates tip the scale over 100 on the Glycimic Load. For your question, I had a large fruit bowel of 500+ calories, then worked out. Then had the smoothie. By searching this forum I have found several people with a similar symptoms after a banana smoothie with dates. I had some oranges this morning and felt much better. I've had difficulty losing weight on a 2000 cal/day intake as well, so maybe it is the hypoglycemia. How does someone deal with this?
The first thing to do is make sure you have a blood sugar disorder- I'm not crazy about doctors but ask yours if you can get tested just to confirm. Ask if you can have an A1C test or a test to measure insulin levels NOT a Glucose Tolerance Test right away. The A1C will measure your average blood levels from the last few months whereas the GTT may or may not even be accurate because it does not measure insulin. Most doctors will try to give you this one- but trust me it is the worst experience for someone with hypoglycemia! Also, just going by the other comments on this thread, maybe ask for a B12 test just to make sure? Judging by the fact that you said you've had problems with sugar before though it sounds like this may be your issue. How far back can you remember having the first side effects (even if small) after having sugar?
The good news is that the effects go away after a while of eating 80-10-10 or even better 90-5-5 raw- and I say raw because cooked carbs have a higher GI and slow the healing process and also gave me effects for the first few months. For me the symptoms started to go away within 2 months and I could start adding higher GI foods staring with mangos back in slowly. It's a good sign that you can tolerate oranges as well. For now until you can get tested eat lower GI foods to be on the safe side (apples, cherries, blueberries, etc) and drink lots of water because this helps clean out your system. Moderate excersize if you can tolerate it because this also helps.
If it is fructose that is giving you an issue then your body cannot tell the difference between "bad" and "good" sugar because it is releasing too much insulin to digest fructose- a normal person does not release insulin to digest fructose but for a hypoglycemic the body cannot tell the difference. You have to "retrain" your body to know that fructose is good and not to treat it like processed/bad carbs.
If this is your issue just know that it is curable with a HCLFV diet and have the mindset that everyday you are healing :) And don't worry about weight for now- healing is more important and your body has to do this first. The more fruits & veggies you eat the more nutrients you have in your body that can go towards healing. Hope this helps!