the mediterranean diet nonsense is debunked by howard jacobson on vegsource:
Besides, the term "Mediterranean diet" is more of a buzz word which doesn't necessarily describe the actual dietary habits of the Mediterranean people. Those are often strongly idealised and embellished.
Whenever they come out with one of these "breakthrough" studies, one must ALWAYS look at the actual study. These kind of things happen all the time. I'd bet that the dairy and egg industries have set some up for their own use, as well as many brand-names of "healthier" options. Most of the time, they just compare it to something worse. And the sad part is that most people don't even question it.
the corpse industries occasionally do studies to legitimize their existence. quite often despite their best efforts, these studies show how damaging their products are. then it's time to finance a spin. :D
every now and then you see desperation like this in their own journals:
That's not what people do who live around my part of the Mediterranean - at all ;)
Fruit = "dessert"
Veggies = "garnish"
greetings anastasia! and welcome to 30bad!
It's very healthy actually. It can be vegan too. It's 50% carbs,35% fats,15% protein.
the med diet incorporates various amounts of animal products as well as oils.
therefore it is neither vegan nor healthy.
a 50-35-15 isn't a desirable ratio which is why we don't tolerate it here.
the only thing that can be said about it is that it is some sort of improvement over the usual SAD stuff. if you looked at the video, you'll see that the only improvement the study showed with the med diet was with the stroke rate. the 'strawman' rationale for hyping the med diet is also explained in the video.
olive oil ,when used in moderation, can be very healthy. Same with meat.
not correct. you can go here:
and you'll see the studies show otherwise for the corpse parts - and that includes studies done on a 'little' bit too. here's one for instance in this video dealing with fibromyalgia:
the case against corpse eating is overwhelming and involves major cohort studies done over years (decades sometimes). to say eating corpse (and other animal products) "can be healthy" in light of the present body of evidence is not only irresponsible (not accusing you btw, since you've likely not looked into the research), but also against 30bad guidelines (you may want to look them up since you agreed to abide by them).
as far as olive oil goes, it is supposedly 'healthier' than certain other oils and fats, however, both www.pcrm.org and mcdougall recommend not consuming it and especially not using it to cook with. we eliminated it from our diet about a decade ago and it was interesting how much cleaner food (even salads) tasted.
I'm saying it can be vegan because I've been doing these numbers (50/35/15) on a vegetarian and vegan diet.
50-35-15 can certainly be vegan, but then it is not the med diet by current definitions.
But the med diet is definitely a balanced diet that someone can follow and be 100% healthy.
again, if you look at the jacobson video (op), you'll see the study shows that the med diet is not healthy at all.
There is no such thing as Mediterranean diet. People eat diffrent foods from place to place.
Well said! I agree with you....there are vegans that just eat salads and vegans that only eat fried veg foods.
There are at least two instances in which Howard Jacobson misinterpret the data from the study....It is sad!!!!!
LOL-- i lived around the medterranean- its big- real big- greece sure dont represent the whole. Thre is a lot of fruit, true- but thats about it- lots of bread, cooked food, baked- everything wich is not really healthy.
meat, diary , oils- come on now- only red meat twice a month? Moderate oil? I dont think so. 100% healthy?
Total BS!!! My soon to be ex husband is Mediterranean. Lebanese to be exact. They eat olive oil on everything! All severely obese, heart disease, high BP at age 20 avg, very sick people. Most are vegan too lol Tried to warn them about the dangers of high fat. Keep eating your oil fatties! lol
the oil issue comes up from time to time and this post by mary thomas addresses some of the issues:
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"He had forgotten to mention that he was consuming "heart healthy" olive oil at every lunch and dinner and in salads. It was what they call a Eureka moment. Immediately, I advised him to give up the olive oil. He did--and within seven weeks, his angina had completely disappeared." Dr. Esselstyn