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Hey Fruity Folks,

    I have been pondering this one for a little while now.  Like many of you, i am not only vegan as to not contribute to animal cruelty and unnecessary killing, but also for the benefits it has on the environment.  I believe all life has value and unnecessary killing of animals and plants is not morally justifiable.  I also think it is important to take care of the harmful situations humans create in our environment (nuclear waste, pollution, harmful chemicals).

    For those who do not know, invasive species eradication is basically the removal of a species (plant or animal) from an environment because it is non-native and causing problems for maintaining an environment in it's 'natural' state.  I live on the Big Island of Hawaii and we have many invasive species radically changing the environment, for example, Miconia plants which spread quickly and have a shallow root system which causes erosion in many places.  These Miconia are being actively removed from the environment because they have the potential to change it dramatically and make it unlivable for other species.  Another invasive species to Hawaii is the coqui frog, which has no predators to contain the population, eats native insects including pollinators, and generally disrupts the balance of native ecosystems.  Both of these invasive species arrived as a consequence of humans.

    I'm just wondering, if you're interested in this kind of stuff, what is your opinion on eradicating a species  because it is causing what we determine to be problems in the environment?  Do you feel differently about plants vs. animals in this particular scenario?

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Good topic! The coki or coqui frogs are a very apparent example, I think its fine to try and manipulate nature to an extent. We also have a hard time seeing all the effects these things have. How hawaii and other islands naturally make secluded species of animals and plants is great. So is the free for all in the mainland tropical areas.. kudzu I see some places around in ecuadorand tried to help keep it at bay fro  one persons property.. its a very hard task once the plants get a foothold..

I dont think eradication localyis bad as long as the plant remains somehwere but idk we are so abusive to the planet even things like fruit barely exist without us manipulating the species. Other animals play a part also spreading and selecting.. its hard to think of the situation without running into various aspects for me.

I just dont know, one side of me says lets edit this planet to our whim theoher says lets edit ourselves out of the scenario. We are here though with our opinions of meaning and ideal.. 

Such a interesting world and time to be in! 

I think you're right that we have a hard time seeing all of the effects of these things.  For example, Hawaii introduced the mongoose to the island in effort to reduce the rat population, which has not worked and the mongoose ended up eating native birds.  It is hard to control lifeforms and sometimes seems like a waste of energy.  There are so many aspects to the invasive species situation, indeed.  I personally feel like some eradication may be necessary, but some species are so hard to control that environmentalists would make more of an impact putting our efforts elsewhere.

As far as whether we should be here or not, i've been conflicted about it before too.  However, my conclusion is that we are here and we can make our relationship with the rest of the Earth better, so in that, we should be here, to heal our relationship.

Interesting world and time for sure!

I think it would be a good idea to consult with the island medicine men/tribal elders, more than anything, now. >.>

For srsly.

In interaction with lower order consciousness, higher order consciousness should move to raise lower consciousness in a loving, thoughtful beneficial manner.

My guess is find the newly invading species' natural predators and introduce them into the environment.  Extensive careful isolated testing should be done to gauge what resulting impact would be other than keeping the target species' population in check.  I read of this idea being tested, once before.  Unfortunately, I never read anything about whether it was actually implements.  In that case it was a species of flies being used against fire ants, in Texas.

But if a better way exists, let it be the path chosen!

"In interaction with lower order consciousness, higher order consciousness should move to raise lower consciousness in a loving, thoughtful beneficial manner." Love this :)

You wrote your response before i wrote mine to the comment by Herro World, but my response to that comment pretty much sums up how introducing predator species can be sketchy.  Perhaps though, with extensive testing beforehand it could be beneficial.

Again, though sometimes it feels a bit pointless to try to control all the species problems that we create.  Perhaps we should just step back and let nature do it's thing, even if the invasive species will cause all sorts of problems. I don't know though.

That's also a viable path.  Nature will address it, in time.  Yet, you cannot expect the outcome to be one necessarily favorable to humanity. xD

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