To cut a long story short I was diagnosed with a dystonic tremor of the head and neck about 4 years ago, long before I came to 80-10-10. It actually started probably about 10 years before that, maybe longer but developed to the point where it became obvious that my head was shaking and and my neck would twitch involuntarily every couple of minutes, embarrassing and distressing, I would stand with my hand up to my neck to hide it when talking to people.
Anyway, I was told there was no cure but it could be controlled with medication, but this would have severe side effects. I decided it wasn't so bad that I wanted to go down that route and would look into alternatives.
It was one of the driving forces (among a whole catalogue of other chronic ailments) that brought me to raw foods (even though I was long term vegetarian for much of my adult life) over the least couple of years and then eventually to 80-10-10.
All of my chronic health problems have dramatically improved or are slowly healing. My tremor has definitely significantly improved but is still a problem. I've been doing 80-10-10 for about 5 months now so I know it's not long. At first it was very very hard for me to eat enough so I used to supplement with cooked starches, corn and rice (potatoes really don't agree with me) when I became seriously undercarbed. Now I've managed to phase this out completely but am finding that eating enough is still a big problem. My digestion is still very slow still only about 8 bananas at a time, but enough to stop me from becoming seriously undercarbed. I am hitting between 2500 and 3000 calories a day.
Anyway, my point is, I recently saw on a thread on here somewhere, where someone mention that about 4000 calories is optimal for healing the body from serious problems. I've also been taking B12, which doesn't seem to have made a huge difference, not yet anyway.
I'm wondering if it's worth really pushing myself to hit a really high calorie count to heal my body more or should I accept not being able to eat that much? Does anyone have any experience with this or other neurological problems that have been improved or healed on 80-10-10, and how much difference does calorie intake make to general healing, thinking of some of my other chronic problems that are still healing?
Starving yourself is going to cause more problems than help. If you feel like you could continue eating, then you need to eat more. 4000 may be too much for you but you probably need at least 2500, or 3000. If you aren't eating enough it is hard to expect your body to heal itself. Alternatively you could also go for a water fast with Doug Graham since this is more of a severe issue and it's not just that you want to lose a few pounds.
Thanks Robert, I should have mentioned tha I am hitting 2500 calories a day, sometimes 3000. I'm trying to eat more, I'm not calorire restricting, I just literally find it hard to eat enough. I used to calorie restrict but that has gone out the wndow now thankfully. I'm all about the health these days. I just really want to carry on healing and was wondering if it was worth pushing myself harder now. I couldn't fast if I tried these days, no way can I go hungry anymore.
Yeah, someone seemed a little eager there ;)
I don't know whether sipmply eating more good nutritious foods will boost the healing, but if you want to give it a go, focusing on exercise or being active probably will help you to eat more and more with less effort.
Good luck & best wishes :)
Thanks Macuilxochitl, I've come such a long way in a relatively short space of time but still seem to struggle with eating enough. I definitely have the appetie but not the capacity, if you know what I mean. I feel like I'm trying to iron out the last problems that are making it hard to be 100% at the moment. Thanks for your consideration, :)
Eating enough calories or not eating enough calories will of course make a huge difference.
As long as you have a 2500 minimum and you do not have any of these symptoms below of under eating then you should be good to heal! :)
water intake and output.
calories eaten daily and consistently over this time (how long have you been eating enough?).
amount of daily sleep.
example of daily menu/are you properly food combining/eating ripe or unripe fruit.
Healing takes time, 3 or 4 years to heal deep rooted problems is not unusual so the fact that you are seeing improvement even with under eating at first and eating some cooked at first is a very good sign! So happy for you! You may want to post under our testify page: http://www.30bananasaday.com/page/testify-1
Thank-you Ednshell, lol, I've seen that list before and it still makes me laugh (especially the Brian Clement bit)!
Unfortunately however, some of it also rings true, I am seriously chronically undercarbed, but it's not for lack of trying. I eat at least 25000 calories a day and aim for 3000 but am rapidly realising that that's not enough because I am seriously hungry and getting unbelievable cravings.I've been eating that much for about 3 months now. I rememeber htting 3500 but only with cooked starches or dried fruit. It felt so good not being undercarbed but I don't seem to be able to do it 100% raw, and it brought other problems with eating cooked food.
I eat bananas for breakfast, usually about 8 trying for 10. Lunch is a couple of packs of fresh dates, about 1000 calories worth and then usually more bananas, with other fruit in smoothies etc aiming for a least 500 more calories for my evening meal, then later on in the evening a big salad, couple of heads of lettuce, bell pepper, some sprouts zuchinni maybe, tomatoes. But even mono meals will sit in my stomach for a couple of hours if I eat more than a relatively small amount.
I eat very few overts, avocado, not more than twice a week, nuts hardly ever if I'm being honest, I never feel like them and they don't agree with my digestion brilliantly, too many nuts and avos leave me 'backed up' (sorry to be graphic). So my staple fruits are bananas and dates definitely both ripe, with some variety thrown in from juicey fruits
Sleep is a big problem. I should mention that I also have Aspergers Syndrome and it's hard for me to tell sometimes when I'm not sleeping well because of over stimulation or other factors. When I used to eat cooked starches I would sleep better but then I feel dreadful in the morning. The last time I ate brown rice I felt like I had flu for 3 days, it was actually horrendous but I'm so hungry! I had some defrosted corn with my evening salad the other night, which seems to take the edge off but I really don't feel great eating it.
I crave avos but any more than one small one a couple of times leads to the before mentioned problems. I always sleep better after a salad but then I don't get in enough fruit so sometimes I just eat fruit during the day but then I don't sleep well.
I drink two litres of water every morning first thing, then more during the day, and with smoothies, so got to be about 3 litres and urinate frequently. If I eat cooked starches my interstitial cystitis flares up again.
I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, 100% raw and my symptoms are held in check, my body is healing (up to a point) any deviation and they flare up again, but I literally can just not seem to ever eat enough, my digestion has impoved loads since starting but there's no way I seem to be able to handle the kind of volumes that many people on here seem to manage.
Which gets me back to the point really, I don't know if I should just push myself really hard and just keep eating even if it's uncomfortable so my body gets used to it, or accept being hungry for a while? Would it be counter productive to push myself to eat that amount of calories I actually seem to need at the cost of my digestion?
For what it's worth and it may not be what you are looking for, but I think from your description you are doing a really good job! Excellent! It's tough when there is something we really want to be past, but it may just be a matter of time for you with the healing.
That big hunger though tells me that you are on the right track with wanting to get in more calories. Interesting with the corn which seems to help you feel less ravenous. If you get non GMO corn (they have frozen organic, super sweet white at Costco) it may not be ideal and thawed-frozen less good than fresh, but you gotta do what you gotta do right? I mean if you cannot find a way to make HCRV work for you what's the point anyway? But it also sounds like that may make you feel a bit nasty the next morning? Is it from the corn, or from feeling bad about eating it?
Also, when you have your evening meal do you drink a good bit of water 30-60 min before? Perhaps good hydration will help with your body processing those starchy things. I wonder if those add more calories that you need which helps with the hunger, or if they just move more slowly through your system/sit a little "heavier" in your stomach?
In any case another thing you could try to get more calories is to have datoraide as a snack drink throughout the day. You can get in a lot of calories that way without making yourself so full you cannot eat the solid foods you have planned, at least that is how it is for me.
Thanks for you great reply Chris. There are a couple of points that I was thinking about myself.
The thing about he corn is that I don't tend to feel physically great in the morning but when you said about drinking the water before hand I'm wondering if it is that it leaves me dehydrated. I always eat it with a big salad but have been cutting it out lately, I was only eating it a couple of times a week anyway, but I've definitely been more 'undercarbed' because I have. I want to do a 100% so badly, but I'm wondering if I need more time to get used to big fruit meals, although money is a huge issue for me. Corn is definitely the only starch that I seem to be abe to manage, that and chestnuts!
I love datoraide but again still seem to not be able to eat enough. I'm thinking that's just down to my body still being used to concentrated food and still retraining my stomach muscles, I can eat so much more than I used to.
Thanks for your advice, I'm going to try more datorade and more hydration.
No problem! :)
I think that's a good idea I also want to +1 on smoothies. One thing I do is find out from local grocery stores when they tend to have "over-ripe" bananas and then swoop in and buy as much as I can carry. Of course I cannot eat them all before they get nasty, but I peel and freeze the ones I cannot get to and then use them in smoothies. They are pretty cheap that way, and I combine them with fresh (or frozen when needed) berries and dates for a really tasty and delicious way to get the calories in.
Yes fresh is best, yes frozen is not as good, yes being able to chew everything is best, being able to eat less often to give the digestive system rest is best. When I approach things like this though, I start with what works for me and as I go, I often find ways to get closer to the ideal without feeling overwhelmed, like giving up, etc.
By all means shoot for the ideal, but do what you can and feel good about it, do what works so you can stick with it! You may well find that over time (and many do) that you eventually are able to eat much more in a meal.
Hang in there, you're doing great! I'm sure that soon you'll be able to get past these little "bumps in the road" and will be off and running full tilt! :)
4000 calories is what the starvation experiment folks needed to recover. Not sure if that is what you saw.
I think it was that, it got me thinking about what would happen if my body actually managed to get that many calories in and how much it would help the healing process.
I meant to say that I walk about 7/8 miles a day, I was running once/twice a week but stopped since I've been feeling so 'undercarbed'.
How much difference does it make? Well, your body needs energy to facilitate the physiological process that are required for healing, the more energy the more activity, the more healing. I don't know how to measure this difference but I'd say "noticeable" for sure.
I find it much easier to get the calories in with mangos as a staple, they digest much better and faster than bananas for sure. I highly recommend you go for the higher water content fruits as they digest much better, sure maybe they aren't always as calorie dense as other lower water content fruits, but the less energy that goes into digestion, the more your body has.
4000 calories is about 20 mangoes, thats easy to eat. Thats what I was eating for awhile last summer, felt GREAT.