This is an issue that has already been discussed by various moderators, other users and myself (thank you Freelee, Pradtf, Jess, Windlord, StyleStacker, Sylbao and numerous others).
We at 30BAD seem to have found ourselves derided some other places in cyberspace recently, with accusations of us being a "cult", and those that have any views contrary to those of the moderators will be booted off.
These comments have been taken a little out of context. The major thing people seem to forget, is that when we sign up, we agree to this:
30bad is a HCRV (high carb, raw vegan) internet community which promotes a high carb raw lifestyle free of any animal products. Our forum does not tolerate encouragement of anything contrary to HCRV. Nor do we allow endorsement of non-vegan items or practises which involve the imprisonment, exploitation, abuse or murder of sentient beings. We also require our members to post with proper netiquette. Therefore, please indicate your intention:
You'll find one such hater has posted his hate here: (Link removed, not wanting to give the drama anymore of our time)
To which I responded:
Dislike. Sign up to a vegan site, and don't be surprised if you get booted for being a human supremacist. You signed the agreement, don't throw your toys out the pram because you were expected to abide by it.
One person congratulated Taylor for having exposed some vegan Nazis. To which I responded:
By the way, to those who think some people are "Vegan Nazis". You might want to question what side of the fence you'd have stood on back in 1930s Germany. Vegans: people that, no matter what, want to end animal suffering, regardless of how "awkward" that may sometimes be for them. Non-vegans: people that, for whatever reason, put themselves (or, "individuals", as you so nicely put it) before their values and other life forms. Have courage to rebel and stand up for what is right. I applaud all anti-speciesists, including Freelee Vegano and Durianrider.
..or perhaps you would be happier, like most welfarists, sitting on said fence. "I'm okay, I had nothing to do with the concentration camps/slaughterhouses." - yes, but you stood by and let it happen. Bad things happen when good (wo)men do nothing.
One cannot ride two horses with one bum:)
fascinating observation, pk.
i must say this is a new one to me.
it does get to the bottom of things though!
Rose, wish I had the gift of words that you do. I may struggle being 100% raw, but I have been vegan for 25 years, and that is no struggle for all the reasons you listed and so many more. I don't understand why people classify animals as "pets" or "food". To me they are all the same. I'd love to have a cow, pig, goat, lamb, duck or any other animal as a pet. They are all beautiful.
That was wonderful. Much love the 30BAD crew :)