This is an issue that has already been discussed by various moderators, other users and myself (thank you Freelee, Pradtf, Jess, Windlord, StyleStacker, Sylbao and numerous others).
We at 30BAD seem to have found ourselves derided some other places in cyberspace recently, with accusations of us being a "cult", and those that have any views contrary to those of the moderators will be booted off.
These comments have been taken a little out of context. The major thing people seem to forget, is that when we sign up, we agree to this:
30bad is a HCRV (high carb, raw vegan) internet community which promotes a high carb raw lifestyle free of any animal products. Our forum does not tolerate encouragement of anything contrary to HCRV. Nor do we allow endorsement of non-vegan items or practises which involve the imprisonment, exploitation, abuse or murder of sentient beings. We also require our members to post with proper netiquette. Therefore, please indicate your intention:
You'll find one such hater has posted his hate here: (Link removed, not wanting to give the drama anymore of our time)
To which I responded:
Dislike. Sign up to a vegan site, and don't be surprised if you get booted for being a human supremacist. You signed the agreement, don't throw your toys out the pram because you were expected to abide by it.
One person congratulated Taylor for having exposed some vegan Nazis. To which I responded:
By the way, to those who think some people are "Vegan Nazis". You might want to question what side of the fence you'd have stood on back in 1930s Germany. Vegans: people that, no matter what, want to end animal suffering, regardless of how "awkward" that may sometimes be for them. Non-vegans: people that, for whatever reason, put themselves (or, "individuals", as you so nicely put it) before their values and other life forms. Have courage to rebel and stand up for what is right. I applaud all anti-speciesists, including Freelee Vegano and Durianrider.
..or perhaps you would be happier, like most welfarists, sitting on said fence. "I'm okay, I had nothing to do with the concentration camps/slaughterhouses." - yes, but you stood by and let it happen. Bad things happen when good (wo)men do nothing.
Love you too, Saba. :)
wonderful responses, rose!
i think you pretty well cover it all and so well too!
your very significant contributions to 30bad (not the least of which is this well-thoughtout, comprehensive op) is very much appreciated!
Thank you for the praise, Prad. Means a lot coming from you. :)
Wonderful! Thank you so much for this:)
Vegan site plays by vegan rules................absolutely love your post. I signed up on my free will because i believe in the lifestyle, love of all animals and its members.........im glad there is forum of like minded individuals that share my journey in life...... I take enough S@#! from the outside world and at 30bad i feel at home....Thank you Rose.......Sean
Thanks Sean. :)
If more people gave a crap, the small portion that does wouldn't have TO YELL SO FRICKEN LOUD JUST TO BE HEARD. Otherwise, we could all sit down and have a nice, cordial chat about the illegitimate, counterproductive, ad fallacious practices of animal exploitation. Yeah it angers me and hurts me to see and know that other living this suffer needlessly, but from an emotionally detached point of view it is also incredibly destructive and unproductive and just plain unjustified. Anyway, I think this is necessary because this is part of the philosophy of this group and its important that the ideals we share are not infected so that this group does not suffer the same fate as the raw vegan movement, which is littered with individuals who are neither raw nor vegan.
Thanks for posting this Rose :)
I have been seeing some things about fish and dairy lately and was thinking, really? here?