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Does 'Peak Performance (physically) = Peak Health?
I believe the answer is YES.

If this is a truth then female body fat levels that are dictated by popular medical professionals will never result in peak health.

I am exited about getting this very important issue out in the open and talking about how having unnatural levels of stored body fat create infinite problems and limitations for both males and females, and in the case of females more problems and issues.

I believe in high water content fruits.  This is what makes me feel and perform my best in athletics. 

SO few people actually go 100% no overts and only eat high water content fruits for more than a few days or weeks. When you really give it a shot and get your body fat down to 3-5% for me (male) and 5-8% for women (when lactating or pregnant a bit more fat %) you won't be able to make a judgment call on whether a high water content fruit diet/ no over fats makes you feel the best.

I believe that women are sold a big load of BS getting recommendations to keep body fat at 12-25%,

I feel women and men never really experience peak health until they achieve the body fat ranges that I just listed above.
Talk is cheap folks...experience something for yourself first hand before you pass judgment on it.
We ALL know what it's like to be fat, eat shit food and not exercise... few of us actually experience stealth body fat levels like all other wild animals in nature (male or female).

We all need to return to nature and look at nature for answers. Show me where natural wild animals have such large differences in body fat levels based on sex? Show me where in nature male/female animals have such large variations in physical abilities?
This a huge topic of discussion.

Popular thinking on this subject is as sick and messed up as people thinking that pills and potions in vitamin shops will offer them a silver bullet to peak health.

People talk about 'detox' and all the issues related to getting things out of your body that you don't need or should carry around...
well start thinking that too much body fat is DETOX stuff!  
Get it off and experience peak health. Carrying around excess body fat makes your hormones crazy, makes you feel lethargic, you can't exercise with ease, can't cool efficiently, makes you more injury prone, causes countless diseases, etc, stored excess fat makes a lot of problems - and until you get to the levels that nature intended I don't believe you can experience health like nature intended.
Sorry to be so hard on excess body fat. I used to be 30lbs heavier than I am now so I talk from some experience too guys. 
There are no shortcuts to peak health and performance.
Body fat recommendations by main stream medical/media (for females specifically) are so out of 'natural' that almost no one  ever experiences true health and freedom from being literally weighed down with unnatural stored fat levels.

Don't believe me?... just go talk to a peak level athlete or Olympian with 3-5% fat (male and female).


I believe one of the main issues in having unnatural body fat levels is all because of what people eat: Overt Fats! (and not enough high water content fruits)

Overt fat intake gets stored as fat -period!  

Overt fats goes right on you and stays there until you are in calorie deficit.

Don't eat overts for a few months then go back to overts and keep your calorie intake the same as it was when you weren't eating overts - You will notice suddenly that you are storing fat on your body. I've watched it happen on myself many times in the past. Overt fats go right to stored body fat. 

Have you ever gone to the bathroom after eating a fatty meal and seen oil floating on the top of the toilet bowl water?
No of course not, b/c your intestinal system absorbs every last fat calorie.

Eat overt fats = increase your stored body fat. Period.

I'm interested in what other people have to say about this issue, mainly from women who currently have very low body fat, but have had higher percentages in the past. What can you tell us about your personal feelings and experience?  Do you feel differently with low body fat vs higher body fat?

People that don't have practical experience in this subject please don't post dogma or stuff that you only believe because of popular things you've read in books or heard in the media. I'm looking for people with practical experience, not inexperienced opinions...

I'm excited about making a video on this subject and appreciate any points / examples people want to suggest to cover.

A good list of fantastic female athletes with natural low body fat is something I am compiling as well. If you want to suggest more - great!

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Thank you Michael!

It would be good if you post real-life examples of females to support your recommendations, if you could.

Also, what are your suggestions on the topic of body fat for people whose life interests are other than being professional athletes?
I don't have to make a list, rather, just look at any female Olympians in any sport that requires fantastic physical abilities in speed, endurance, agility, power etc. These are people that are PEAKING in life in every way. They have achieved perfection in mental, physical and emotional life. Runners, Gymnasts, Divers, Jumpers, Skiing, even ping pong!

For people that aren't looking to be highly athletic: they are not looking for feeling highly healthy. Even being sedentary, having low body fat will make you feel good! When I am at super low body fat, I FEEL amazing sitting around on the couch, I am LIGHT, it is amazing!

You guys already know how fanatic I am about this issue, I'm looking for what other people think and have experienced to post here.
Michael, I am not asking for a comprehensive list, just a few examples to learn from (someone I could look at and think yep, I want to be/look like them). I am asking you, cause I rely on your expertise here (I am optimizing the search time here, if you know what I mean). Could you please give them? Examples of female athletes with the (verifiable) body fat that you recommend as optimal?

As far as my second question, I was not asking for the advice for people who do not want to be highly athletic, just for those who do not want to pursue athleticism as their professional careers. Did you mean that only professional athletes can be athletic?
hi gosia!

i don't know if this will help, but i found this chart after reading your post:
Body Fat Percentage: What Gets Measured Gets Managed

don't know how scientifically accurate it is, but possibly it's a starting point to your question about body fat in female athletes.

in friendship,
Hi Pradtf,

Thanks, so fruity sweet of you. :) I found similar stuff on line, but this is a sort of information that Michael is actually challenging though. So I am interested in that challenge and related arguments that support what Michael is saying.

Note that we are not talking here about being low fat, as per usual recommendations 12-20% for women, but lower than that, below 10%, closer to 5%.

in fruitship,
oh i see, gosia. sorry i can't be of much help here not having researched any of this - no time to either since i'm busy working on freelee's debunking china study critics group.

2 thoughts do come to mind though.

one is that i recall neal barnard's group pcrm back about a decade ago or so, very strongly recommending cutting out of oils and other veg fats. apparently their research showed these can create considerable problems. don't know what their stance is on body fat though i imagine they will likely recommend something fairly low.

the other may be to find a historical trend for body fat in female athletes over the decades. i would think the trend would show a gradual decrease in body fat, though much of this would likely be due to social conditioning. females were generally expected to be 'softer' regardless of what that meant for their athletic prowess or even overall health back then.

of course, neither idea above divulges any notion of what an 'ideal' percentage really is. i imagine that there may be a range depending upon the sport. one problem of defining too precise a notion of ideal though in this area is that it can be misinterpreted deliberately or otherwise as is weight and body image say in the fashion industry where the coat-hanger figure is considered ideal with disastrous consequences.

likely, low is good, but lower is not necessarily better.

anyway, this is mostly just speculation on my part, so i don't think i've been particularly helpful ... so i will go where i can be otherwise.

in friendship,

Paula Radcliff, marathon world record holder, less than 5% body fat for SURE

Shalane Flanagan, USA 10,000m record holder, Olympic bronze medalist, 3% fat

Chrissy Wellington, female world record holder in the Ironman triathlon. Probably one of the greatest female athlete to ever exist. 3-5% fat

These athletes are always at or below 5% or they can't even compete at any high level.

These women aren't doing anything outside of what nature intended. Someone show me in nature where animals perform so differently based on sex alone? The same level of fitness and performance exists in humans that are at peak health. There is little % difference in performance in humans on male vs. female at the high level of sport, but only when the body fat is equal. I've read that female periods shouldn't even be noticed when a woman is at peak health/natural low body fat. Think about what PMS does to fat women every month, most women think they need to have large breasts to be a woman in this society, females are sold a load of shit thinking they need curves and fat content way above 10%. It's all a huge sickness, it's such a shame....
Thanks Michael!

Could you also give some references backing up their body fat %?

I googled just briefly and found these:

“If I lose too much weight I lose power and I need body fat for buoyancy [during swimming]" ( from http://www.chrissiewellington.org/media/meet-chrissie-wellington-th...)

"Granger did admit that Hellriegel's assertion, backed by scientific evidence that elite men endurance athletes top out at 4-5% body fat while top women endurance athletes face systemic dysfunction at anything less than 8-9% body fat, was observably true."
(from http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/Will_Chrissie_go_8_35_at_Roth__905.html)
Look at the pictures, they have no excess body fat at all? I don't understand your asking about 'backing this up' - do you not see the pictures?
the article on slowtwitch is another 'general' post. Look at the leaders of sport and record holders across the board, they are all super super lean.
Wellington talking about her body fat going too low is referencing insane low numbers like 3%, she is well known in the tri community of being insane stealthy and ripped.
I see the pictures, but I do not know by looking at them whether their body fat % is 3 or 5 or 8 or 9 or 10. Excess fat could be defined by different people in different ways. Having some direct reference that verifies what the number is would help. Point of reference is useful.
If you can't tell from looking at those pictures that these women are at 3- 5% then I'm sorry I can't help you further, frankly you need a lot more experience in this realm/topic. I guess I need to realize that there are so few females that have ever experienced such natural peak body fat levels athletic / physical health. Sorry to sound so tough. It's a tough subject for people that have no practical experience to understand.
I do not mind you sounding touch, Michael. I would appreciate some tough data though. I tend to be tough in asking questions as I believe in hard questioning of issues. It is easy to make claims, harder to verify them. In this case, we can read conflicting messages from different people and I am interested in your challenge to the stereotypes. But without a solid backup, such challenge looses its value for me. Solid evidence is what I am after, not merely opinions. Anyway, thanks for your time. I appreciate your input.

warm regards,



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