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I think when we call non-human animals animals it makes it sound like we are not animals.

We should call them people, because they persons. 

Or if you're talking to a bigot who wouldn't understand you, you could say non-human people. 

I think this would encourage people to think about their actions against non-human people more ethically.

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William  (not Nathan :) ) and I are aspiring to be you when we grow up :)

oh my! i would blush if it were permissible!

so here's the least i can do:

a warm welcome to both of you! ;)

in fiendship,

prad

Haha :D Awww look! William (not Nathan) and I are growing up...teehee :D  Omg that is sooooocool :D You rock Prad! 

they really do look good on you two!

btw way, georgia, please tell william and nathan that i've put this fine thread up in the "ar on 30bad":

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/pradvertisement-animal-ri...

the category should be changed from "high carb raw vegan chat" to "speak up for animals". william (not nathan) should be able to do this since he created the thread, but if he doesn't know how he is free to ask.

in friendship,

prad

William and Nathan ;) got it...will do :D 

In friendship to you too :D 

LOL im dying, you guys are too cool xD

I changed the category.

Animals don't have a spiritual side to them. Take for example, if an animal does something like killing its infant, is it guilty for it? No, of course not, because it doesn't have a free will like humans do.

Animals don't have a spiritual side to them.

making statements without validation is convenient, but not particularly productive maja. as markus urges you to do, check out some of the links i put in this post:

http://www.30bananasaday.com/xn/detail/2684079:Comment:4135781

you will see animal behavioral patterns that are identical to the best of humanity. bekoff (and others) provide plenty of evidence that animals are spiritual.

also, check out liberty's post here:

http://www.30bananasaday.com/xn/detail/2684079:Comment:4136489

here is validation for her comments:

Elephants really do grieve like us

Wild elephants gather inexplicably, mourn death of "Elephant Whispe...

Elephant cognition

Take for example, if an animal does something like killing its infant, is it guilty for it? No, of course not, because it doesn't have a free will like humans do.

you just haven't been around the right animals it seems. :D

anyway, may i remind you that 30bad does not tolerate the human supremacy syndrome and your attempt to create false hierarchies between species, would constitute a violation of the forum's guidelines especially considering that you are simply spewing statements without any empirical evidence.

this community is a very worthwhile one which has amassed a very large body of useful knowledge from many people who have investigated and studied work done in the area of health, environment and ethics.

to maintain the high standards here, it is required that members follow guidelines and to use markus' words 'interact' with others appropriately.

i hope you will be able to help make this forum even better by contributing your knowledge in a proper fashion.

in friendship,

prad

My statements are in line with my faith and my religion. Which is not violent in any way. Voicing my faith is my right as a human being.

My statements are in line with my faith and my religion. Which is not violent in any way. Voicing my faith is my right as a human being.

not on this forum, maja, when you violate the guidelines here as well as the sentient capacities of non-human beings ... as well as the human ones! ;)

please remember that you are a guest here and abide by our guidelines.

in friendship,

prad

Thank you, thank you, thank you 30bad (and prad) for not tolerating the human supremacy syndrome!  

If it wasn't for places like this website, I fear I would feel I am the only human person on this planet who doesn't believe that human people are superior in any way to nonhuman people.

greetings elizabeth! and welcome to 30bad!

if you want to explore an excellent write-up on the human supremacy syndrome take a look at my friend kel's work here:

Anti-Human Supremacy Animal Rights Argument

A substantial anti-human supremacy argument for extending ethical regard and rights to nonhuman life forms.

he is an excellent writer and has made various contributions to 30bad as well as to other places on the net. i think you'll find he provides devastating ammunition both logically as well as pragmatically.

i see that you are not only a longterm vegan, but also a classical pianist!! my son, kyron, is a lifelong vegan and a classical pianist too (so we get these wonderful inhouse concerts!).

a pleasure to have you on this forum and hope you enjoy your stay here!

in friendship,

prad

Just thought i'd point out, even if we were somehow superior as a species (which I adhere we are not) this actually would mean that we have ever more responsibility to take care of those less capable.

yes well said markus! st francis of assissi put it this way:

Not to hurt our humble brethren is our first duty to them, but to stop there is not enough. We have a higher mission - to be of service to them wherever they require it.

http://www.towardsfreedom.com/veggiechess/goVegquotes.html

(pradanas? hadn't heard that one before :D :D)

in friendship,

prad

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