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I have discovered something that is helping me stay HCRV - and that is - that while I know that eating mega amounts of fruit is vitally important on this lifestyle - I have learned that oftentimes eating a huge - I mean huge - salad - helps me to have something to chew through and fills my stomach with harder to digest types of foods which helps me to feel full.


Also - somehow I notice that my energy level is better from all of the greens.


Lately, I make a huge daily salad with some variety of kale, savoy cabbage, red cabbage, Chinese cabbage, chard, lettuce of differing types, and shredded carrots.  The thing ends up looking like it is enough for 5 people !


I use lemon / lime juice and olive oil based dressings and then I toss well and let the dressing settle to the bottom of the salad bowl.


The other thing too is that a huge salad like this can add a nice element of variety to this diet without having to resort to exotic and wildly expensive types of fruit.  Just have the large and artful mix of salad vegetables in the diet and then a decent mix of affordable fruit staples.


There is the concern about the digestibility of salads - but ironically - I find the fact that salads like this being harder to digest something of a blessing - they make me feel satisfied in a different way than fruit - and it feels like they clean out and lighten up my viscera.


Now - if I could only finally kick the 4 shot Americano addiction that I have had for years !


Anyway - onward and upward - thanks to all ! 

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Try to cut out the olive oil in your dressing to make it ultimate low fat.  You can get rid of the coffee addiction. I was addicted to diet coke. I havent had one for 3 months now :)
I agree, I have a large salad in the afternoon I also add some boiled sweet potato (as I don't want to be 100%) and this keeps me going. Extra virgin olive oil is also excellent and I make sure I have a small amount daily, always on my beautiful salad. :-) Thanks for sharing. Blessings!

I'm sorry, Juicy, but Stephen is correct that oil in any form is not supported here. 

We're all about whole foods with all constituents intact.

Oil with it's 100% fat, zero protein, zero carb, zero fiber just doesn't qualify.

Avocado, however, in proper food combination and in amounts appropriate to your caloric intake, can offer much of the same mouth feel and with beneficial nutrients to boot.

This is making me curious to know what happens to our blood after we eat an avocado or a salad with an avocado in it.  It's obvious to me that eating an avocado has an effect on me and although the effect may feel rather "harmless" I certainly wouldn't want that effect after every meal.

From what I've learned, it definately slows it down a bit.  For most peeps, this isn't a big deal. 

But for cardiovascular patients, whose life may hang in the balance and for whom there is no wiggle room, Dr. Esselstyn mandates:  NO OVERT FATS in any form. 



Magic, I focused on the oil above because it's important to know the reality of certain foods that we might have always taken for granted as healthy.

But regardless what what you decide personally, your strategy of salad-loading is great.  So many nutrients come from that sort of variety, and I know what you mean about just wanting to munch something and be satisfied.  Keep it up, mate! :)



Are We Oil And Fat Eaters By T.C. Fry

It is well known that most meat eaters trim the fat off meats because they have an aversion to it. This is not without a sound physiological basis.

However we witness millions eating foods fried in oils and fats. Millions eat foods smothered in oils, butter, margarine and other fats. Oils and fats constitute about 40% of the American caloric intake.

For this heavy indulgence Americans pay dearly. Indigestion is an American institution. Pathogenic effects are rife. It is said that 50% of all American meals result in indigestion. Antacids are a multi-billion dollar business. At the door of oils and fats can be placed much of the blame.

Humans are constitutionally frugivores. All the fats needed in the human system are self-created from the raw materials furnished by carbohydrate foods just as cattle elaborate their fats from a grass diet. It is not necessary that humans eat oils or fats of any kind to have the body oils and fats necessary for great well-being. One of the chief complaints of many who eat sugar and wheat products is that it turns into unwanted fat, thus indicating how efficiently our organisms convert carbohydrates to the oils and fats we need.

Fruits we digest with dispatch, efficiency and comfort. Most are discharged from the stomach in from 10 to 30 minutes, whereas oils and fats lay heavy on the stomach for hours before digestion really begins.

To be sure, our diet can profit from certain foods with an oil content. From nuts and seeds we can obtain the linoleic and linolenic acids that we need. But if nuts, seeds and avocadoes constitute a mere 1 1/2% to 2% of our diet, that is ample.

Professional Hygienists point out that the body's needs for oil are very small. All condemn free oils, that is, oils out of context with the food in which nature developed them.

Most Americans eat oils and fats with foods that are of a differing digestive character than oils. In the combination of bread and butter or bread and margarine or bread and peanut butter—quite common combinations, the bread requires an alkaline medium for its digestion. Within two or three hours starches are usually ready to pass into the intestinal tract for appropriation. Fats and oils usually do not begin to digest until about the fourth hour.

Hence, when oils and fats are eaten with other foods such as starches they coat the food particles such that little or no digestion results, but indigestion does! By the time the oils or fats surrounding the other food particles are digested, the starches and sugars are food for bacteria instead of us. Bacteria convert carbohydrates into poisonous acids (especially acetic) and alcohol. Our stomachs become a fermenting mess. Caustic bicarbonates end the process by killing off the bacteria and neutralizing the acids.

But this is merely a first step in a chain of problems. Indigestion is bad enough, and employing antacids begets yet other problems. Fats degenerate into butyric and other acids. This begins a long train of pathology that can exhibit as inflammations, ulcers and eventually cancer. Rashes, pimples, biliousness, a "tired feeling" and other complaints are often a direct result of a heavy oil or fat meal.

Fats are often in association with cholesterol, another form of alcohol. We create this in our bodies for our own needs, but we cannot handle foreign cholesterols as true meat-eating animals do. To be sure, cholesterols are found only in animal fats such as cheeses, butter, eggs, meat and animal products such as milk, ice cream, etc. When the cells reject alien cholesterol, it combines with blood contents, especially wastes and inorganic minerals, and forms plaque in the circulatory system.

Free oils and fats are a disaster in the human digestive tract no matter how eaten. Oils on salads, popcorn, bread and other foods (most of them unwholesome in themselves) interfere with digestion as heretofore stated.

When we eat fried foods, we are invariably inviting disaster. Even before eating such foods, the heat of cooking has converted some of the fats or oils to acroleic acid (or it has become acrolein) which is deadly poisonous and carcinogenic in humans. Fats in animal foods are always bad for us. Oils in vegetable and fruit foods should be eaten rarely, say not more than once every two or three days. We handle nuts, seeds and avocadoes fairly well, but our need for them is small. Further, great caution must be employed in eating such foods. Always eat them with vegetables, never with foods that contain a carbohydrate complement. Tomatoes, cucumbers, celery, cabbage family members and green leafy foods such as lettuce combine best with these oil-bearing foods.

It is noteworthy that legumes are heavy in oil but, once beans and pulses are sprouted, their fat content is converted into easily digestible vegetable matter.

There is no truth to the widely circulated belief that oils are good for dry skin. In digesting oils and fats, the body converts them to sugars anyway. Then it reconstitutes them to its specific needs in the body's own chemical factories. Thus dry skin is the result of impaired function of the sebaceous glands, not a lack of oil in the diet.

Oily foods should not be used as fuel foods. Carbohydrate foods serve us amply in this regard. Loading up on oily foods will not enhance the performance of athletes or manual workers. Their need for the oils and proteins of concentrated foods such as nuts, seeds and legumes are no greater than for sedentary people. It is well to repeat again that carbohydrate foods supply this best, and fruits are our most wholesome and efficient sources of carbohydrates.

Only one meal in any given day should contain a heavy oil-bearing food. And only one concentrated oil-bearing food should be eaten at a meal. Thus, if you eat an avocado with a salad, your oil license for the day has run out. If you eat two to four ounces of nuts or seeds with a salad, your oil license has expired, not only for the meal, but for the day.

Studies have shown that peanut oil is more "atherogenic" than even cream from cow's milk in inducing arteriosclerosis in monkeys. It has been suggested that free oils actually promote the deposition of cholesterol and other lipids in the arterial walls.

Proceed with caution with oils. Never eat them outside of their natural context and then eat them in restriction as above noted.

Same. Sprouted grains or seeds on my salad ideally . Do you use dressing? If so what kind do you make?
I always hated salads and that's why I wasn't sticking to 811 100% in the first month. Then I learnt about sneaking some fruit into my salads, which completely transform them. I now love salads. The fruit mixed with greens is out of this world! Take for example the sweetest tasting cherry tomatoes: mix it with spinach (something I would no way eat) and drench it with a lovely mango and orange salad dressing and somehow the spinach tastes fantastic, while it also gives the fruit combo an exciting edge. Not only that, but there are important nutrients in greens that differ from fruit in their composition etc. So yeah, salad greens are really important if you want to stick to 811 but I would definitely ease off the olive oil. It spoils the whole experience. Besides, oil is not good for you.
I know what you mean about energy level. I find that if I have a pound or pound and a half of lettuce for dinner, I wake up refreshed and ready to go. I don't even want to stay in bed and doze off for a few more minutes, I want to get up and start my day! It's not this overwhelming amount of energy, but a very clean and alert state of mind that I really enjoy.

some people here i think only eat fruit, and say that that is awesome for them.


for me, if i don't eat greens for a while i don't feel as good.


i think i read somewhere that when you crave greens it means that you need more minerals then people who don't.  people crave greens more if they have a history of drug use or calorie restriction, or are not 811 for very long, or something else that would deplete your body of minerals.


now i don't know for sure, but i am pretty sure i read what i just said above somewhere on this forum once.  i'm not sure though, so take that for what you will.


i crave greens almost every day.  i feel much better with them in my diet.

Any evening I'm not chugging down fruit calories before a run I loooove to chop up some spinach, cucumber, tomato, orange, mushroom, avocado etc. chuck it into a massive mixing bowl, grab a fork and go to town.
I thought you are allowed 10% fat on 811? - so a little fat.  Doug says in his book you can have 2tablespoons of olive oil a day if that is the only fat you are having.  You can buy it unrefined and cold-pressed.   Surely that is better than someone going fat free and ending up binging on bad food?



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