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So i KNOW that meat is bad for you. But does anyone have any really good arguments for why lean meat is bad for you and why organic fish is also. Don't include studies done on just red meat. I'm trying to convince my friend that ALL meat is bad. And there is absolutely nothing online. Thanks a bunch!

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There is plenty of material online.   Have your friend watch Earthlings.  

http://earthlings.com/

“Recognize meat for what it really is: the antibiotic and pesticide laden corpse of a tortured animal.”

~Ingrid Newkirk

+1000

and from a purely fat perspective, "lean meat" is a misnomer and a fallacy you see repeated constantly in standard nutrition marketing.  Fat, not necessarily visible to the eye, inherently marbles through animal flesh.     

Yep, Earthlings for the ethics and this Dr. Greger M.D. video Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death for health: http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/uprooting-the-leading-cau...

Plus a great video on why not fish:  Fish For Health

yep yep, and should the discussion shift to dairy, see www.notmilk.com

what also do you need to know? lean meat vs. high fat meat? okay, one has more fat so it's arguably worse if you want to avoid fat, but is it really all that different? who cares if it's lean. it's putrefactive. what happens if you leave a piece of meat out on your counter all night?...imagine that in your digestive tract at 98.6 degrees.

Thanks! I can talk about how our body is not made for meat all day, but when it comes to the chemistry and hard scientific facts..I cannot remember it all.

body runs on sugars. has very little need for proteins. all 8 essential amino acids are found in plant foods. EVERYTHING humans need can be made by the body or found in plant food (if someone has a genetic issue then a supp will work better as it bypasses possible digestive genetic issues.)

then you have endotoxins, methyl mercury in fish, cholesterol, excess sat fat, metabolic waste products, bacterial blood infectons, benzo pyrines, hetero cyclic amines and advanced glycation end products are most highly found in animal products.

smell the toilet after a meat eater. smell the toilet after a fruitarian. thats a good 'at home science experiment'. ;)

All animal products have a lot of cholesterol, fat, toxins, antibiotics, hormones, adrenaline, harmful bacteria, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ

in this video he is talking about ALL animal products

Why waste time trying to convince someone why dog food is bad for humans. Just buy em a can of dog food, write a note and say' thinking of you today, if you are hungry here is a quick snack to go, don't worry, its got no red meat, just chicken, liver and gall bladders...'.

Alternatively you can buy some gold fish in a plastic bag and write 'locally grown and caught fish, mercury free, just blend and serve for a quick high energy omega 3 hit coz the brain runs on fatz. healthy fatz.'

Or if you find any road kill, dump it on their drive way with a message saying 'hey, you pay 10$ a lb for organic meat, I can provide you with local, free range, wild, ethical meat for 5$ a lb. I left a free sample on your driveway, happy eating! xxx'.

But I guess that would just be too truthful. Lets go find some studies that morons can 'debunk' on their blogs whilst they have a break from playing minecraft.

Tell your friends to quit being so silly. ;)

I found this just browsing, as for your fish question. Harmful to the oceanic system, led to extinction, etc etc..full of things bad for the human body, even when "organic." http://www.compassionatespirit.com/fish.htm

Fish is still animal carcass, bothers me when people set them apart..

Well how did YOU, yourself, find out all meat was bad?  Obviously the information is out there, or you wouldn't be here.  Just guide them down the same path you went.  Be warned though.....it's hard to convince someone/change their beliefs if they are not receptive to it.  They have to have open ears and an open mind.  Good luck.  Don't force the issue and don't get stressed out if you don't get through to them.

The problem with convincing people is that in most cases our bodies can withstand a huge amount of abuse before anything starts to go seriously wrong, it's a very discrete killer, so people find it difficult to see the connection between eating meat and illness, they think it's just bad luck when someone gets sick. Also, people have no comparisons, not many people have actually tried an 801010 style diet, or even any vegan diet for that matter, so they have no idea what real health feels like.

What is "organic fish" anyway? Sounds like pure greenwash. Bioaccumulation and biomagnification of toxins in ecosystems, especially aquatic, has been scientifically shown in both wild and farmed environments. Thanks to the way we've flooded our planet with chemicals, I would think it's almost impossible for fish to be free from toxins anymore. Also, for something to labelled as organic, it's conditions needs to be controlled, i.e. farmed not free, so that term really tells you nothing. And what about carnivorous fish, are they also fed "organic" fish? You can call meat lean, organic, grass-fed, free-range, or whatever other terms sounds nice, but the bottom line is it's still dead animal flesh.

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