Charlotte Gerson talks about the strange relationship of poor digestion of certain animal proteins to Schizophrenia
Tags: raw food, schizophrena, veganism
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Craig olsen has some interesting posts.
He thinks alot of the mental issues such as Adhd, schizophrenia and depression are due to problem with not being able to break down protiens correctly
This last abstract reports low mRNA in untreated depressives. If this is true, it seems to suggest that something has gone wrong with amino acid metabolism. The mRNA is used in the cell to make protein out of amino acids. If the cell were to be flooded with amino acids, this would use up the mRNA because the production of proteins would be increased. Otherwise the cell could blow up like a balloon and burst (lysis). Thus my theory for schizophrenia could also apply to depression. If this is true, then depression could be very similar to schizophrenia, with the diagnosis depending on psychiatric fashion. The diagnosis of depression is much more in fashion in England, but the diagnosis of schizophrenia is more in fashion in the US and Russia.
Hey B I looked at the link with Craig Olsen it looks like the logic it coincides with the Gerson diet. they say that grain foods should be very limited as well. I looked at his link to vegan diet explained and was like what the? he did a really poor job with that. Talks about carrots and then chips???
Are you going to fruitstock?
I looked at the Gerson Therapy, the foods you can eat and what you can not.
Very similar to 811 except with certain exceptions
I imagine people who do 811 must get similar results. I am planning to move my brother (he is currently on Primal Uggh!!). I thought originally to switch him to LFCV diet, Bernard, Mcdougall but gluten free because he would maybe find it easier and my mother could do it to (she could not do 811)
But now I wonder if this would be good enough?
B what are your thoughts.
I haven't read anything about using a low protein diet to treat autism but I think they would only benefit from a cleaner diet. I've heard n-3 fats can be beneficial for them but I'd stay away from fish oil because of the methyl mercury, which has also been linked to autism.
I should also add that schizophrenics/bipolar individuals who responded very well to n-3 fats were taking very high doses, about 1g of fish oil a day. I think this would have been necessary on a largely animal based diet due to the high amount of n-6, saturated and trans fats which inhibit the body's conversion/production of the neurologically beneficial longer chain n-3s from ALA.
One of the benefits of going plant-based low fat is a better n-3:n-6 ratio. In the short term more n-3 may be still necessary to help the body and nervous system rebuild itself in people with compromised nervous systems. DHA is used in cell membranes (makes up half of the brain's fat content) and I believe enhances the transport of nutrients into the cell, which would also have an impact on digestion/absorption. EPA is needed to facilitate communication between nerve and brain cells.
But it may be enough to simply go the McDougall route and include n-3 rich fruits (mangoes, melons and berries) and vegetables (kale, spinach romaine), I think it's fair to try that first and see what effect it has before adding supplemental n-3s. I'd just favor cooked starches over grains because the latter don't digest as well, and my belief is that people with mental illness often have digestive issues which leads to the production of neurological toxins from the decomposition of nutrients in the gut which can exacerbate their symptoms.
Thanks B, heading in that direction I am confident that it will have a positive change. Was thinking of going more of a Mcdougall diet (like you mentioned) but of course without the gluten grains, possibly 811 depending on what he is willing (will possibly add the omegas at one point he takes them now and they have not done anything noticeable could be different on another diet though but I would like to exclude them first to see). Interesting that even beans and the such causes problems but then again there not really meant for us. He is supplementing with a good form of D3 taken from the hair of the sheep not even the skin (apparently even better). His last blood test showed good B-12 but will have him supplement. I will let you know the progression. Do you think this would also benefit kids for for autism? I imagine it would because a lot get better with no gluten and cassien I wonder going low protein would even help further?
@Mikey: sorry to hear about your brother. I wouldn't guess that a primal diet would help much with schizophrenia, a low protein plant-based diet seems to be the way to go. in addition to the links I posted below, there's a man by the name of Craig Olson who has independently found that using a low protein (~10% calories) vegan diet can be used to treat schizophrenia and related conditions:
Note that he says soy, beans and bread should be limited/avoided because they are also high in protein. if your bro is interested in changing his diet but not going 811rv, he'd probably be best getting most of his calories from fruit and steamed/boiled root vegetables, and perhaps some non-gluten grains if he can digest them. in addition to making sure he's got his B12 and vitamin D covered, it would also be worth trying adding extra omega 3s to the diet, i.e. ground flax/chia or algae based epa/dha. omega 3s have been shown to be quite effective in treating mental illnesses including schizophrenia. good luck.
Thanks B for posting this,
My Bro has Schizophrenia (26 years now). He is on gluten free dairy free diet but following the primal diet for about 6 months. He has received some benefits like controlling his blood sugar some weight loss as long as he does not eat to much (he has gained back fat if he goes over 2-300 calories a day). The Schizophrenia has not improved. It seems like they have trouble with a lot of proteins that are not meant for us, gluten cassien and animal proteins. i will show my brother this. I showed him the benefits that Grok went when he went 811 and this will help.
Schizophrenia also seems to be caused by gluten(!) - perhaps 70% of the white population is at risk of disease:
Chris: here are some studies on the connection between diet and schizophrenia.
1st on milk protein and schizophrenia (improper digestion of milk proteins is believed to produce caso-morphines which contribute to symptoms in schizophrenics):
http://aut.sagepub.com/content/3/1/85.abstract [cited article]
http://aut.sagepub.com/content/3/1/67.abstract [cited article]
here's an article describing a study which found celiacs (i.e. gluten sensitive individuals) were 3x as likely to develop schizophrenia as the rest of the population:
this excerpt of the book 'fasting for health' discusses the high success rate for treating schizophrenic patients with fasting:
The connection between meat and schizophrenia has not been directly established in studies to my knowledge. however, research does indicate that schizophrenics have significantly higher concentrations of a substance in their urine called 6 hydroxy-skatole, which is an indole. indoles are toxins produced by bacterial decomposition (i.e. putrefaction) of tryptophan in the gut. they are largely responsible for fecal odor (note the derivation of the morphome 'skat' in skatole, skatological, i.e. pertaining to feces, and that those on low protein diets have bowel movements that smell much less offensive than meat eaters). meat is very high in tryptophan. it is likely this and/or related compounds (including casomorphines) resulting from bacterial breakdown rotting flesh that contribute to schizophrenic symptoms. I think this is what Charlotte Gerson would be talking about here. The study in 6-hydroxy-skatole is below:
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