It is a shame that most people are in such a quagmire about this topic. They see buff muscular bodies in magazines and men especially want to emulate. I was one of them almost 40 years ago. Luckily I discovered after only a few years of serious training that the protein myth is true. Calories are king. Carbs in particular. Get enough calories and you get enough protein. That is the only truth you have to know. So why do so many struggle with the muscle building dilemma? Simple. Time patience and experience. Let me humbly add my 35 years experience with vegan, raw, and fruitarian training (I am an all-around fit person not just "into" weights. In fact my cardio is off the charts. But as we all know that is easy to attain on a fruit diet. The training needed for endurance increase off the charts is easy compared to that needed for actually adding muscle size to your frame. And mine is a tall and skinny one, with genetic narrowing of the lower spinal channel as well as other joint problems as a result of a terrible automobile accident. Still was able to add quite a lot of muscle to my "hard gaining" frame with years and years of patience and focus. It is not rocket science! Please do not get caught up in these discussions to the point of researching this issue to death. As Emerson reminded us, books are good but "bibliomania" will suck your life away.
For the thousandth time lol.... milk ("liquid meat") and animal proteins have the highest nitrogen retention in the cells. So of course those who consume large quantities will puff up. This is not pure muscle just muscle "size". In addition however, the "growth hormone effect" from milk, whey protein powders, etc. and beef/chicken/fish to an extent will contribute as well. Plant proteins do not cause this inflammation of the cells due to a different prostaglandin structure. The bottom line is that building muscle REQUIRES lifting progressively heavier and heavier weights by using the large muscles of the human body (not wasting time on biceps curls, triceps kick-backs or pec deck machines or leg extensions or leg curls, for example) such as the "core areas" such as the hip/thigh/ back muscle structures. Getting enough calories and a little more and more and more as you get stronger, will eventually cause an increase in muscle size and this is also the only way to increase functional bone density, which is why every medical professional for the last 60 years has urged every person to do "weight bearing" exercise. It turns out that few ever understand how to do this right. It is quite simple! But since true weight training (not bodybuilding competition training or hobby) requires much more dedication and focus than say running or other cardiovascular activities (not to de-value them; just to compare the dedication and patience and focus that is mandatory to get even little results), few people do it. Of course those who look "big" and "muscular" are usually on steroids, or at least they consume animal foods and take protein powders designed to inflame and puff up the body. As Harley has pointed out many times, this is the marketing of muscle size. You can achieve a truly impressive body however with none of the above, just simple carbs like fruit and enough greens to round out your nutrition requirements. The main thing is to get enough calories! But without the day in day out month in month out year in year out (with periodization of course) progressive poundage increases in your squats and/or dead lifts, chins and dips, then this discussion will never ever be put to rest. THIS is not rocket science. It just takes work, focus and dedication. If you want to also be healthy, never get sick, never feel fatigued, and always be happy however, you had better do it with fruit! Sure you will be smaller (everything else equal) than the steroid or milk glutton, but heck! At least nobody will smell you coming a mile away. :)
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Comment by joce on July 25, 2012 at 1:39pm Wow! Chris, learned alot from this post, and also another I found by you. Gonna look for more posts by you next. Guess I could private message you, but I bet any questions I ask are ones other people reading have too, so better to just keep our conversation in forum public comments.
I'm really getting more and more in the swing of eating HCRV and getting in enough calories and water. It feels SO good!!! So good. So that frees up more of my energy to focus more on fitness. I'd love to get more muscle tone, and am really enjoying hearing what you have to say about that topic from the HCRV perspective.
Now really wanna know what exercises are most efficient. Was hoping just bodyweight (and yoga, which seems to be light bodyweight exercise) with no need for weights, and maybe rockclimbing, but guess it depends on one's goals. Is the routine banana-boy listed what you'd recommend?
(I'm 5'4", like 113 lbs., 28 yrs. old, eating like 80-95% HCRV, the rest cooked vegan, about 1,800-2,500 calories a day but inching up towards 2,500-3,000+ calories a day.)
Comment by banana - boy on July 14, 2012 at 2:28am Thank You Chris ! I appreciate your experience and sharing it. I also agree in the Emersonian Self Reliance.
So I am putting into practice exercises I think you suggested as they seem reasonable and doable and effective.
1.dead lift
2.squats
3.bench press
4.overhead press
5 dumb bell rows
6.lats pull down machine ( as I am unable to do pulls and chin ups yet )
My basement gym has dumb bells only so I am using them started with 15lbs each to get form and now at 35lbs each on everything except the barbell row @ 30 lbs.
3 sets of 5 to 8 reps comes to mere 30 minutes 3 times a week ! is that it ? can this be that easy in the way of time? any suggestions ?
I weigh 175lbs 5'11 49 years old. eating 84 8 8 3000-3300 calories fruit and leaves dinner often is cooked clean carbs..
thanks again !
Doug
Comment by Justin Blande on July 13, 2012 at 3:15pm "We know we need to eat well and eat often. But what we eat -- and what we choose not to eat -- are also important factors. It’s pretty common for an athlete to require 0.8 - 1.2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight to maintain muscle.
Building muscle, which is our specific topic, often requires the consumption of 1.2 - 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. It may seem like a lot. But thousands of
bodybuilders and athletes -- who dedicate their personal or professional lives to building muscle -- have found that this system is effective. It’s just the way the body works. It is a system which supports any sports interest from tennis to running to lifting weights. We break the body down through exercise and need to build it back up through sound and adequate nutrition."
Eating 0.8,1gram to 2grams of protein is working for robert cheeke and all the people under him at veganbodybuilding.com, please clear of this fallacy Chris... also see how much volume and sets he trains with... http://veganbodybuilding.com/?page=article_2011_trainingprogram
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