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I've been doing the intermittent fasting thing for 57 days now. I've dropped 12 pounds and have about 12 more to go. So far so good.

I still eat mostly 811 when I'm not fasting and I don't restrict calories then, but I guess overall it is a restriction of course.  I look at it as an experiment and one that seems to be going well so far. Durianrider said I would crash and binge but I haven't had that yet and it's been awhile.

I just got tired of gaining weight on this diet. I'd been doing it for about 18 months when I started fasting. My weight was steadily climbing. Sure I know it can go up and down a lot in just one day, but if you pay attention you can see the trend. I'm anal; I measured morning and night on an spreadsheet that had a graph. I know: nerd. Now I just have an app that keeps track -quite handy.

I see a tonne of folks here complaining about gaining weight and it's kind of sad to see them being told to eat more. I don't get it.  Why can't people just eat how they feel? I'm sure they will adapt in time. But pack it in and stretch the stomach? Really?

Or how about this. Why not just eat more greens and veggies! Then you are still eating all you care for yet at the same time dropping calories. Seems like a great way to eat always being full and content no?

Actually I kind of enjoy going hungry once in awhile. Like if you want to talk about getting back to our natural roots that's the way to go really.  Feast and famine! You wouldn't always have a plentiful fruit tree kicking around now would you. You would eventually run out and have to find another. I think that's why the body is designed to actually go several days without food and actually receive positive benefits from doing so.

Anyway, was just re-reading my blog today and thought I'd update about what is going on these days. Hopefully it's cool to write about these sort of things on my own blog but if not go ahead and delete it. I don't want to upset the banana cart or anything.

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Comment by Rory James Armour on April 29, 2012 at 4:14am

thermogenisis is when extra carbohydrate is burned off as heat. watch durianriders videos on it.

Comment by Perry Fullerton on April 27, 2012 at 9:31am

@Pusha89

 

Hey there! Thanks for the support and interest!

 

I was doing 19hr breaks with 5hr eating windows for about a month. I did well on that but I wanted to try the ESE method. Typically with that you take 24hr breaks twice a week so you actually end up eating once every day. I've been experimenting with extending the breaks to 36hrs however which is a little more difficult but also more effective.

 

As far as digestion goes, mine is fine, but I've never really had issues there to speak of. I don't know about short term fasting for healing something like that but I've heard great things about long term in that regard.

 

 

Comment by Perry Fullerton on April 27, 2012 at 9:03am

@Kerrigan,

Thanks for your reply and your obvious concern. I hope I can set your mind at ease that I do not have an eating disorder. Health is my main concern - not weight. I've been eating healthier and healthier for years. I have not had so much as a cold in two years now. Weight is part of the equation although to a much lesser degree. And it's really not weight that I care about but body composition really.

Regarding your concerns about muscle loss and metabolism.  This only happens if you fast for longer than three days.  I don't do this. Short term fasts have actually been shown to increase growth hormone naturally. Also I have noticed improvements in my strength in the last 57 days which would be rather impossible if my muscle was deteriorating.  Just for the record I can do 83 push ups and 12 pull ups in a row at this time. I'll update this in a month or so just for curiousity's sake. Check out the guys at www.leangains.com if you'ld like to see super lean, musclular guys who intermittently fast on a regular basis. You can't tell me they aren't building muscle and losing fat.

I like your point about leaving the tropics and having to fast as a result. This is true although I do believe that chimps sometimes still have to fast at times as they cannot eat unripe fruit. Apparently monkeys, who can eat unripe fruit, will at times devour an area leaving next to nothing for the chimps. And we of course are more like chimps than monkeys in this regard.

And on a final note, and I don't mean this to be rude but merely helpful. Could you please write in paragraphs or at least just break up your text in smaller, easier to digest, chunks? Normally I never read conjested text like that but I appreciate that you took the time to write.

Comment by Kerrigan on April 27, 2012 at 8:03am

If you've ever seen Freelea's videos you'll know she didn't drop weight and get healthy overnight. She also gained weight initially. If you go from a calorie-restricted diet and go from 200-800 calories a day to 2500-5000 calories a day you will gain weight. If you fast from time to time and then begin eating normally- you will gain weight. Sure you can calorie restrict, fast, and starve yourself- that's your choice. But it is not healthy to purposefully starve yourself for weight loss, and it is not good for health to fast for so many days. Many years ago I had problems with an eating disorder. I would eat 200cals/day and I would also water-fast quite often. Fasting was no problem for me at all, it was easy for me to go a week or longer with no food and then jump right back into eating just 200 calories. Once I began to eat a normal person's amount of calories I gained weight. And yes a lot of people do gain weight. You only lost 12 pounds but that was from fasting, which means you lost water weight and precious muscle. You probably lost some fat but I can guarantee it's not all body fat. Keep in mind your heart is a muscle. When you lose muscle from fasting, you are weakening your heart.  "Actually I kind of enjoy going hungry once in a while."  I thought it was really interesting that you said this. When my eating disorder had its full grip on me I really just thought I don't deserve food. I can't be fat. I can't die fat and have people remember me that way. As long as I could get thin I was perfectly okay with death. And I really enjoyed feeling hunger. It was a pleasant reminder that I'm slowly fading away. But now that I'm past those days, once in a while I just don't feel like eating. And if I feel this way, look at food and can't even imagine myself eating it nor finding it appetizing, I'll just not eat for a little while. But even when this happens I don't fast the entire day- usually I get my appetite back in a few hours after waking. A few times I've slipped up and I've tried to water fast on purpose because I felt sick of my body. And guess what? It's extremely difficult for me to do it now. Hunger feels totally different than it used to. Now it's difficult for me to fast for just one entire day, even though in the past I could fast for longer than a week. This is my body's way of telling me, I think, that it's OK to eat lots of calories, and it's a good thing that I don't starve myself anymore. "Why can't people just eat how they feel? I'm sure they will adapt in time." This is a very good point and it's important to note that most of us coming to 80-10-10 have come from a cooked-food or a high-fat diet, which are very calorie dense. Even if the person was previously raw, if they were high-fat gourmet raw, their stomachs will not be used to stretching. Just as Douglas Graham says in 80-10-10, you need more bites on this lifestyle to get the same amount of calories. He recommends one more bite per meal, slowly regain the elasticity which the stomach is able and supposed to have. Also it's important to note that we originated in the tropics and we would take food off the land. There were greens, fruit trees, and edibles everywhere. Before we began our deforestation and purposefully cleared land, there was more than enough to go around and share with the monkeys. Our famine days happened after we began to migrate away from the tropics and we began to resort to eating human/animal flesh. Also just look at the long-term high carb vegans. Freelea said in a recent video that if you are sick and have no appetite, let the body heal itself, but you should not force your own body to feel hunger and purposefully reject food when your body wants and needs it. Eating disorders are not fun! I hated those days of jumping on the scale, jumping off the scale. Weigh myself in the morning, come home from middle school and I'm a pound lighter. Oh but maybe it's not reading correctly I'm sure I lost more than that- jump on, jump off, jump on, jump off. Hoping twenty more pounds would just magically fall off if I step on that scale just one more time. I recommend you watch Freelea's two tip videos for weight loss. The first one states throw away the scale. Don't weigh yourself! Weight is not the same as health. You can have a low or normal weight but be skinnyfat and have high body fat, which will most likely happen as you fast and lose more and more muscle, or you can be a healthy weight and also have a healthy bodyfat and a healthy body. Do not put weight before your health, trust me on this! My recommendation is stop the fasting before you hurt yourself, you're a stranger and I care enough about your safety to tell you all this. Weighing yourself all the time to see how many pounds you lose from a fast is awful, and valuing your weight before your health is also a horrible thing. In the long-term, all of the high carb vegans are fit and trim and not overweight. Just look at Megan Elizabeth, Durianrider, Freelea, Douglas Graham, etc etc. They eat tons of food, as much food as their hearts desire, yet they are all glowing and high in energy and also skinny. If you use fasting to lose weight your energy will slowly deteriorate and you will ruin your metabolism, I can tell you this from personal experience. In the short run maybe you'll gain some weight but hey, you didn't put it on overnight did you? You can't take all of it off overnight. Just do your best.

Good luck and good health to you.

Comment by punchxyka on April 27, 2012 at 5:41am

I know why are people fat, but you don't have to starve yourself and you can't say bodies are designed to be without food for days. Body was designed to get enough calories and nutrients, but it can also survive for some time without food. I am OK with fasting, but not if you are hungry and healthy.

Comment by Perry Fullerton on April 27, 2012 at 4:03am

@Sweetfruitlover

I've been doing  a mix between the Fast-5 and the Eat-Stop-Eat methods. There is a free book available from www.fast-5.com if you are interested. I think it is quite noble of this doctor to give his book away - who does that! I don't recall it taking me that long to adjust although in the book he says it can take people up to three weeks. I was definitely within the first week. I've always been a fast learner ;)

@Rory

I was actually normal weight when I started 811 and just did it because I thought it was the best way to eat. Then I started following the pack it in, 3000+, eat more to live more philosophy, and started to gain weight. I was strict 811 for about 8 out of the last 18 months. But I am always low fat vegan. I may have some sweet potatoes and steamed veggies on occasion. I'd say the worst I've had is the odd bean and rice burrito. But those times are a very small percentage of my diet.  About as often as a monkey has meat!

You say that you can't get fat if you don't eat fat. I've heard that the body likes to store extra calories as fat regardless of what they are. I'd be interested to read a book or study about what you are suggesting though.

@punchxyka

LOL. You don't have to be hungry, if you have enough food around.  Body is designed to eat when hungry.



Having food around all the time IS the problem. It's a modern phenomenon to have as much food as we do so readily accessible all the time. Most of history didn't have this luxury.  And because we are designed to eat and store food when it is available people get fat. 

Comment by punchxyka on April 27, 2012 at 2:40am

Actually I kind of enjoy going hungry once in awhile. Like if you want to talk about getting back to our natural roots that's the way to go really.  Feast and famine! You wouldn't always have a plentiful fruit tree kicking around now would you. You would eventually run out and have to find another. I think that's why the body is designed to actually go several days without food and actually receive positive benefits from doing so.!



LOL. You don't have to be hungry, if you have enough food around.  Body is designed to eat when hungry.

Comment by Rory James Armour on April 27, 2012 at 2:35am

Im not much of an expert but eating lots of calories from carbohydrates literally cannot add fat. If you are gaining weight on 811 its either because you are not truly 811 as to say you are eating too much protein anf fat. or maybe you are just gaining healthy weight as you havnt stated your height and weight its hard to know. I think personally dont stuff food in to the point you feel sick but just eat moderate sized meals every 3 hours and make sure you dont ever go hungry. if you want to feel hungry and go through a 'famine' thats not the most optimal way to live your life.

Comment by Sweetfruitlover on April 27, 2012 at 2:31am

Wow, so interesting.  I've read that IF is really good for you, but I've never tried it.  I like to eat!  How are you doing the IF?  Do you fast one day, eat the next, or something else?  And how long did it take until you adjusted to this?

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