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Comment by Shawn Leonard on March 25, 2011 at 4:00am

Deb G,

Mike is still figuring out the best fueling for the longer races.  As you've already found out, some options just aren't practical depending on the race location, distance, logistics, etc.  

At Western States last year, Mike filled his drop bags with dates.  We also carried plenty of dates to each aid station along with a wide assortment of fruit and OJ and celery juice.  Unfortunately, Mike ran into a hamstring problem during and early section of hills.  So, it's hard to tell if the fueling was right on, since he was slowed down so much from the hamstring. 


At the Vermont 100, he used almost exclusively dates.  The only problem was the amount of dates that accumulated during the race.  But, he had a great race there even with a belly full of dates.


At Leadville, the plan was to with the dates.  He again loaded drop bags with dates.  But, by about mile 30, he was pretty tired of dates (and in 3rd place behind Krupicka and Koerner).  So, I made sure that we had plenty of melons for him at each checkpoint. 


the bottom line is that it is hard to fuel properly for long ultras without a crew following you around. 


At my 100 attempt* last fall, I carried 2 bottles on a waist belt and 1 bottle in my had.  I put a mixture of OJ (valencias that I squeezed the night before) and date juice in each bottle.  The data juice is simple from soaking dates overnight in water.  Then, just use the juice - toss out the dates.  That gets you all of the sugar from the dates without all the mass.  That mixture got me about 500+ calories per bottle.  I put the same mix of OK/dates in 3 bottles into drop bags so that I could get them about every 20 miles.  so, that was 4 bags of 3 bottles around mile 20, 40, 60, and 80.  I also put a pound of dates at a couple other drop bag stops.  I think this was right on.  The aid stations also had great melons on oranges, so I was set.  I was doing this race unsupported by crew, as it was a last minute decision.  Well, maybe not last minute, but as of Tuesday, I had no intention of running the race - wasn't even in my sights. By Wednesday morning, I was signed up for the Saturday race.  I don't suggest this type of planning!!!  Anyway, on a horribly rainy day, my IT band decided to come out to play at mile 30.  It didn't go away.  After mostly walking another 24 miles, it was time to bail.  I wasn't going to make the time cutoffs.  I sure would have liked to continue to test the fueling. 


Check Mike's website that Alex references earlier.  He has great reports of Western States, Vermont and Leadville.  That should help give you some ideas.  Good luck..

Comment by Paul Blissett on March 25, 2011 at 3:29am
Deb..are you from another planet where everyone has super powers??  HUGE training weeks you have ;-) very inspirational x
Comment by Deb G on March 24, 2011 at 11:38pm
Thanks.  I couldn't find him on here in the members..... I'll check out his website though... thanks!!  Oh, and thanks for the Datorade recipe too!  I've got a 29miler followed by a 25 miler next weekend, so I'll give it a go!
Comment by Alex Wall-Clarke on March 24, 2011 at 10:02pm

You can find him on here and add as a friend. Otherwise go to his website http://www.thefruitarian.com/. He has loads of information on here about his fueling for ultra-marathons, the thing is he usually has a support team to cut up melon for him at aid stations and juice oranges etc. I think generally he doesn't eat a lot of dates but when running ultras he has no choice.


I generally don't run anything above 10k right now but it seems from other people's experience that fruit alone is a great fuel source for ultra-marathons, the struggle will be getting enough calories in consistently throughouth the race. The 'recipe' for datorade couldn't be simpler, put pitted dates in a blender with water about an inch above the dates . Then blend! You can add as much water as desired to make it digest well, some people soak the dates in the water overnight.


Well done Rich that's awesome! Onwards and upwards

Comment by Deb G on March 24, 2011 at 9:20pm
Thanks - how do I contact Michael Arnestein.
Comment by Primal Rich on March 24, 2011 at 5:44pm
Hey, just completed my first marathon - barefoot! I've only been running for around 6 months so I was pretty stoked to get through it. Now on to bigger and better things!!
Comment by oriana on March 24, 2011 at 12:14pm
I recommend talking with Michael Arnestein.  He has run 100 milers and he is totally 811! 
Comment by Deb G on March 24, 2011 at 2:52am

I run ultras, and I've been eating as a veggie and then vegan up to this point, toyed with raw on and off, but now fully committed to it.  On my ultras (I run from 26-36 milers most weekends, and 50-100 milers 6+ times a year) I used to eat porridge for brekkie and take vegan biscuits and crisps with me, washed down with soya milk...... 

Now I am committing to 80/10/10rv, what would you suggest I take?

I was thinking of a huge banana fest for breakfast, possibly made into a smoothie with some celery, and taking a few bananas, clementines, dates and a couple of smoothies with me.  But as I will need to carry all this (checkpoints don't generally have fruit available) I'm concerned at how I will sustain myself over 8, 12, 15, 24+ hours of running.  The 100 milers I can stash food in advance, but not at any of the shorter ones.

I've seen 'Date-o-rade' mentioned here and was wondering if I could have the recipe?  Any suggestions are MOST MOST welcome! 

Thanks all! x

Comment by oriana on March 15, 2011 at 1:59am
Awesome!  I love running while eating raw. Fruit is the ultimate for marathoners!
Comment by Michel on March 11, 2011 at 11:53am
I would not be able to meet my calorie needs by eating once a day, unless I ate lots of dried fruits, raw honey, avocados or other fatty foods... Not sure how you can do this? As for not eating before a competition, I would not call this fasting but simply avoiding to have your body still spending energy on digestion when the fire goes off... If you stop eating 3 hours or more before a race, that should be sufficient... This does not mean, of course, that you should not control what you eat in the previous meals as well: most 811 runners avoid greens and produce with high fiber content the previous day, or even during 2 or 3 days prior to an event, preferring high-water content foods and juices.

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