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I feel ashamed to call myself a Christian. Not just for the Christians around the world also for my sinful self. The Messiah was opposed to organized religion. Mostly. Everyone says Christ. or Jesus.…Continue

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Comment by Joseph Glover 6 hours ago

 Saying that we are not to judge is an inaccurate reading of scripture.

 READ THE LAST LINE!:

“Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. For the way you judge others is how you will be judged — the measure with which you measure out will be used to measure to you. Why do you see the splinter in your brother’s eye but not notice the log in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the splinter out of your eye,’ when you have the log in your own eye? You hypocrite! First, take the log out of your own eye; then you will see clearly, so that you can remove the splinter from your brother’s eye! 

  This is what this section of scripture means:

 When you judge, see yourself in them and speak with the purpose of reformation not condemnation.

 Next verse:

“Don’t give to dogs what is holy, and don’t throw your pearls to the pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, then turn and attack you.

 The verse is saying that we should direct our efforts to those who are seeking; it is not saying that we should remain silent when evil is called good or when righteousness is mocked.

 In us is life, and our life is the light of mankind.

 The light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot suppress it.

 

Comment by Sephtan 10 hours ago

@flower-candy

"It almost feels like we're heading for a Sodom and Gomorrah time in society."

I would say we are already right in the middle of it. The problem is the same as with the frog in cold water - when you heat up that water fast, the frog will jump out, but if you heat it up slowly the frog will just sit in it to get boiled and die. The same goes for our perception of what is considered "normal" and it was happening on all different kinds of levels. There been some outcries even with the small changes, but they were either mostly by fanatics or were made to look like fanatics (or the just plainly picked the fanatics for the media coverage). The general medium film, including tv shows, music videos and so forth, can give an interesting development over time. At the beginning it was just small occult influences, sex & violence, but nowadays they do it completely open - and people just don't notice, because it's just "normal". They might as well post the statement "... and another satanic ritual, performed by artist XY" before some of the music videos - like Katy Perry - Dark Horse (symbolism AND lyrics) - and for sexuality see Miley Cyrus - Wrecking Ball. Or one of the last Disney hit films Frozen, which basically declares that sorcery is just a normal and good thing and one of the songs from the film, which has nearly 198 million views already just on youtube, even has a text passage that openly states the satanistic law of thelema "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." - in the song - "No right, no wrong, no rules for me. I'm free!".

You could fill a whole library with examples of how deep we are already in "Sodom and Gomorrah" - it'd be interesting to know if we even already managed to top it actually. 

Comment by flower-candy 10 hours ago

I want to address, Sue's comments on gays. I was shocked just a few weeks ago when I had created a Youtube playlist for my son and they played a commercial talking about, "what is wholesome" and in the commercial, they portrayed a gay couple with a child. Though homosexuality is no greater sin than any other, including gossip, lying and other things, it is still a sin according to the Word of Our Lord. Though we have no right to judge others because of their sin, since all of us were often careless sinners before we were saved and some of us still make mistakes, the Bible gives us clear instructions on how to deal with these rapidly changing times. 

It's easy for Christians to be accepting of gays. The world is embracing the lifestyle as wholesome and healthy, however, what is easy to do is not always best for us to do. And the Word tells us in Luke 43 - 48 that:

43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So the Christians that are doing what is easy right now will receive their portion with the unbelievers. So Sue, I hope this encourages you. It's easy to feel discouraged b/c the world is changing fast and it's scary. It almost feels like we're heading for a Sodom and Gomorrah time in society. It's not just like gay people are coming out of the closet, it's like many more people are choosing to lead a gay lifestyle. I see it too. However, our job is to follow the Word of the Lord and not the world. So what you're doing is right, Sue, no matter what other Christians around you are doing or saying.

Comment by Sue yesterday

Thanks for helping me everyone! I am so thankful to have such a great family through Christ here. It is truly amazing how God was able to lighten my path through numerous disciples. :)

Comment by Joseph Glover yesterday

 "...What should I do when people around me (not from church) ask me what my opinion is? I know I shouldn't be afraid of telling my own thoughts or showing my faith..." -Sue

 The word of Adonai is not an opinion, the imaginings of man are opinions, speak the word boldly and do not be ashamed lest your father in heaven be ashamed likewise of you.

 "... My church is against them. The Bible is against them. Yet, many people that say they are Christians are all for them..." -Sue

 The Bible is not against gays, if by "gays" we are talking about human beings.

 What the Word is against is the spirit of error which dwells in every man.

 

Matthew 9:11-13

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

11 When the P’rushim saw this, they said to his talmidim, “Why does your rabbi eat with tax-collectors and sinners?” 12 But Yeshua heard the question and answered, “The ones who need a doctor aren’t the healthy but the sick. 13 As for you, go and learn what this means: ‘I want compassion rather than animal-sacrifices.’[a] For I didn’t come to call the ‘righteous,’ but sinners!”

   

 

Comment by Sephtan yesterday

@Sue

I usually start stating more or less neutrally that the bible says that it is a sin and if I get asked further I explain that as a Christian I do believe what the bible says - but I add to that, that it also says that I should not judge, that I should love my neighbor and that we are all sinners, just to make it clear that while I do believe it is a sin, that I do not see myself as being better, just because I do not act out that particular sin. I think it is a good idea to try to find the middle way between making a clear statement about it, but also evading any unnecessary questions that will only lead to futile arguments. Like if someone asks me what I would do if I was homosexual myself, I would try not to get into that if possible, stating that I am not at first and if I really get pushed to answer evade in another direction away from myself and tell them that I would consult with a Pastor I trust for guidance. Depending on the situation it is of course possible to go more deeply into it, but usually you are faced with strongholds, so I would only do that if I have already prayed for it and felt guided to do so by the Holy Spirit - if not, evade and pray for the next time. The saying love the sinner, hate the sin, can also be useful in that context.

This video might also be helpful for you on that subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL_LOrKfzic

There is also a longer sermon from him about it, but I haven't watched that one so far.

Comment by Paul Cohen yesterday

Keep following the Shepard, Sue, not the herd. If the person you're talking to respects the scriptures, you can quote I Corinthians 6:9-10: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. neither fornicators, not idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor SODOMITES, nor thieves, not covetous, not drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." A footnote in my bible explains that the difference between the two words I've capitalized is that one refers to those who submit to the perversion while the other refers to those who play the active role. On the other hand, if the person is secular, you can point out that God has very practical reasons for directing us away from sodomy: it spreads diseases. Homosexuals have a much higher rate of many diseases that the rest of us including sexually transmitted disease,  hepatitis, and various others. They also die at a much earlier age generally. It is claimed with a good amount of justification that the AIDS epidemic would no in the general population if it were not for sodomites. And who knows what emerging diseases will develop in the future as a result of sodomy. Funny how the media never mentions that. But you can find info on it by doing a web search if you want.

Comment by Gordon Johnson yesterday

Hello Sue, I am so glad that 801010 is helping you spiritually. It does the same for me. We are all on a journey through life and we have all made mistakes. I guess we could say, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. my opinion is that sex is for procreation so that leaves out gay sex, but until we are all 801010 and those urges "of the flesh" pass away that will never happen. I support all humans on their path and God is the only one that can bring them to change.

Comment by Sue yesterday

Hello everyone! I have realized over time what a big issue it is about gays. People around my age are all for them. My church is against them. The Bible is against them. Yet, many people that say they are Christians are all for them.. What should I do when people around me (not from church) ask me what my opinion is? I know I shouldn't be afraid of telling my own thoughts or showing my faith. 

By the way, 801010 is really helping me spiritually. I feel like my religion and my diet are in a mutualistic relationship. Or maybe I am just growing?

Comment by Gordon Johnson on Monday

I guess it was not a sin to go against God's suggestion/recommendation to eat fruits and vegetables. if going against God's first words, was not a sin, I don't know what is. I guess that the people who follow that, are a cult. I am sure that everyone before the flood followed those words of God until after the flood, even though most sacrifices were shared. (those were the cultists, just like the seventh day adventists.) I speak for myself, but this seems huge. I will certainly read some more about those cultist seventh day adventists.

 

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