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Debunking The China Study Critics

Time to assist Colin T Campbell in debunking the critics of "The China Study". Please share any relevant data and especially information you have gathered on those "studies" that attempt to debunk this amazing book!

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Dr. Campbell responds to Weston Price Foundation criticisms of his bestseller, The China Study;

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Comment by Healthy Longevity on December 14, 2012 at 1:46pm

In regards to Minger's claims about Dr. Ornish's and Dr. Esselstyn's studies being successful due to removal of processed foods, I believe this is misleading because these doctors did not appear to strongly advise their patients to reduce intake of processed carbohydrate rich foods until more recently, not when they first started reversing heart disease in the late 1980's.

 

I have made a couple posts regarding a number of populations who predominantly subsisted on organic pasture raised animal foods with little or no access to processed foods, including the pre-contact Eskimo/Inuit, the nomadic Kirghiz plainsmen, and the Nomadic Argentinean Gaucho who suffered from high rates of cancer and cardiovascular disease at a young age.

 

http://healthylongevity.blogspot.com/2012/11/traditional-diets-in-a...

 

http://healthylongevity.blogspot.com/2012/08/forks-over-knives-and-...

Comment by Paul on December 14, 2012 at 11:53am

Thanks Chris.  One point that Denise makes which I think is misleading is that the reason vegan doctors like McDougal, Esselstyn, Ornish etc have succeeded is because they had their clients stop using refined and packaged foods.  Undoubtedly there are benefits from making these changes but that doesn't mean that eating meat is healthy.  And isn't it true that with the WW1 & WW2 studies along with the China Study these populations didn't have access to tons of refined or packaged products prior to their dropping meat from the diet.  Consequently the reflected health there relates only to animal product consumption and has nothing to do with refined grains or packaged products.  I'm sure there are plenty of studies that show this as well, this just seems to be an obvious point she doesn't account for.

Comment by Chris on December 10, 2012 at 5:01am

Look for exclusively breast fed studies. Beware of studies that assess fat content of breast milk over time since measurements are often independent of breast feeding frequency. The fat concentration will be higher with decreased breast feeding frequency as the baby integrates other foods in the diet, too. If (as in most studies) there is no account for the frequency of breast feeding, in addition to the actual contents, then the higher fat composition results from the emptying of the breasts, 70% as a function of breast feeding frequency, not as a function of the overall fat requirements of the growing baby. The data is distorted by the implementation of other foods in the diet. 

Research continues to reveal that nutrient composition in breast milk tends to be relatively stable, regardless of diet. Types or ratios of fat intake are still important for the mother but the amount of fat intake does not affect breast milk fat composition. This is in contrast to popular paleo diet urban legends and businessmen, who emphasize the importance of consuming more dietary protein or fat for nursing mothers. Psychological stress experienced by the mother has a greater impact on breast milk composition than diet.

Human milk has the lowest protein ratios of all mammals, known.

 

As infants, higher cholesterol intake among breastfed infants resulted in downregulation of endogenous cholesterol production (Cruz, 1994).

 

Comment by Rawbert on December 10, 2012 at 2:11am

You're right on the milk issue Paul, yes to all the questions! :)

As far as what paleolithic people ate, sorry I can't help you there.. I'm not really interested in what they did back then, I focus on what's ethical, healthy and sustainable to do/consume today.

Comment by Paul on December 9, 2012 at 1:54pm

When looking at composition of human mother's milk its clear that protein is much lower than protein fanatics would like to believe.  What about the high fat content.  Is my guess correct that its only there for the rapid growth of the child and that as child ages the need for fat drops off dramatically?  Does this phenomena happen with other species? 

Comment by Paul on December 9, 2012 at 11:26am

Thanks Rawbert.  Just read an article on huff post where the author claimed to be a fan of Paleo and yet said things that disagreed with Cordain.  It was said that Cordain then sent a bunch of names of scientists who supposedly back up this claim that paleolithic man ate large quantities of meat.  Now I've seen McDougal with Dominy refuting this.  Can you guys recommend any works that show more of what Dominy is talking about ie: paleolithic women/men as starch eaters.  Thanks

Comment by Rawbert on December 8, 2012 at 11:57am

@Paul,

Cells get glucose deprived when you die.. you can't 'starve' cells, your body must maintain normal blood glucose levels even during a fast, otherwise you die.

Healing occurs because you stop loading your body with toxins so the body has a chance to do some house cleaning and recovery.

Comment by pradtf on December 7, 2012 at 3:44am

paul, you can see a point-for-point refutation here:

Has Denise Minger Read 'The China Study'? -- A Collective Rebuttal

and the musical version here:

b-d debate for dummies

in friendship,

prad

Comment by Paul on December 7, 2012 at 3:37am

So I got into a very relaxed state to watch Denise, cause I get a little irate when I watch it.  I think I'd like to go through the whole thing and point for point show why what she's saying is nonsense.  The first point she makes is that Vegan diets work because of lots of other factors outside of meat.  But by this reasoning she can't prove that Paleo works either.  I think Dr. Campbell addresses this in his response to her when he says something about 1 to 1 correlations.  Does anybody understand this and can you clarify for me.  Thanks

Comment by Paul on December 7, 2012 at 3:22am

Yeah, I just want to add to this Rob.  The error lies in equating glucose with the cause of cancer.  Now there might be some overlap here with fasting.  You can see tremendous and rapid decline of cancer and tumors with fasting where all cells would be glucose deprived.  In this situation the body breaks down that which is least necessary to use what it can and throw out that which is bad.  Perhaps the best indicator for healthy foods is to consider what caused the cancer in the first place.  The Hygienic doctors who know most about fasting also recommend very basic, natural diets with fruits and vegetables for recovery.

 

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