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Beginners in a fruitarian/raw vegan lifestyle

I created this group for supporting each other during transformation to raw vegan lifestyle. Also here will be given some tips how to suceed in a fruitarian diet, whats the most comon mistakes made by raw food eaters and a lot of more usefull info.

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Hey there,I feel the best consuming fruit but I find that I need to eat soooo much of it to feel satisfied. I wanna be raw vegan but right now I just feel like it's unsustainable if I need to keep…Continue

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I read Raw til 4 and decided to give it a try. I am about 6 weeks in and decided to check my fasting blood sugar this morning after a 12 hour fast. My blood sugar was high for me with a reading of…Continue

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Comment by jimmy on December 16, 2011 at 7:34am

Hi Nicolette,thanks for the kind words.

Yea,the breakfast thing,you could say I eat breakfast but its about 4 hours after I get up.There's no way I'm truly hungry immediately after waking up,maybe I eat too much the night before and have to work it off the following morning,who knows.Usually after eating at night I dont do much,just laze around on the computer,watch a dvd or just crash soon after eating.I've tried eating soon after I wake up,it does'nt agree with my body clock,I'm not hungry so there's no reason to eat.I like to feel empty at some point in the 24hr cycle.The nitty gritty of it is this.Soon after waking I visit the loo,regular as clockwork,even if I've visited the previous evening after eating.I c*** on about elimination but its just as important as the nutrition,believe me,you cant feel good if the outgoing is not fully enabled.Sooooo,as I was saying,after the early morning ritual,I feel like doing stuff,not eating,as the morning goes on I feel more energized to the point where I start feeling pretty hungry,usually around 11am depending what time I wake up.Ok,some days you may not feel quite as brilliant as other days,everyone has their energy peak days,but its fairly consistent.Maybe I got into this routine years ago when I used to cycle 40 kms to work every day,I first read about the no breakfast thing in one of Paul C Bragg's old books,not sure which one,maybe it was 'The Miracle of Fasting',not sure.He described,how in the old days in rural US of A,the old folk used to get up early in the morning,do the milking and other farm chores,then about 4 hours later they'd come in and eat a hearty breakfast,after all the activity they'd be primed for eating so there'd be no trouble with digestion,and they'd remain in fine health,although they may not have been on some 'perfect' diet or whatever.So,maybe this inspired me to try it,I guess I must've eaten breakfast in my childhood but its all a bit hazy.After all that,what I'm getting at is if you're not actually hungry,one is not ready for food and the digestion and elimination is not gonna be as efficient,I'm talking about hunger felt when you're in a fairly relaxed state,not immediately after doing strenuous exercise or uncomfortable feelings in the stomach,etc,etc,if you get my meaning/,there's different things here.

Anyway,enough of me,here's a bit of a rave about bio-dynamics,probably explains it better than I can

 http://oregonbd.org/sansone.htm

peace,love and all the good things! 

 

Comment by Nicolette Barnes on December 16, 2011 at 5:43am

Wow Jimmy - I love how you are so relaxed. I find it so nice when there are people who do the raw thing like you without being so strict and hard on themself if they do have a little cooked!! Your post made me happy and was really encouraging!! Haha, but I can never understand how people can go any length of time without "breakfast"! I am always starving when I wake up and eat right away after brushing my teeth after getting up! That just shows how different we all are! And what exactly is meant by biodynamic foods? Is that like sprouted things? I got soo excited today when I noticed that my quinoa I have soaking sprouted little tails. I mainly do the soaking for the reduction of phytic acid (because yes, I do cook them), and had normally been keeping them in the fridge, but after doing some research I learned that it is best to keep them at room temp or a little warmer, so this is the first time I kept them out of the fridge and they actually sprouted!! YAY!!! I was especially surprised as I added a little ACV to the water to help with the neutralizing of the phytic acid.

Comment by jimmy on December 15, 2011 at 10:00pm

hi Shelby,I tried to explain my experiences as simply as I can,hope you can get something out of it.Theres many ways to go about on this trip,everyone finds their own individual methods in their own way and time,depending on their situation,you'll end up doing likewise.If something is working for you keep doing it,if not then try something else.Once you understand the basics feel free to experiment within that framework.If you're comfortable counting calories do it,if its a stress then forget it.Sometimes you'll wanna combine stuff,other times you'll be happy with mono,nothings set in stone and no ones opinion,method,experience or any book is gospel.

I know there's a lot of information to deal with in the beginning but dont get caught up in the detail and let it freak you out,my advice for what its worth is focus on the basics,which everyone sort of agrees with,simplifies things somewhat,dont you think???Having some health issues to deal with must make things more difficult for you I must say, Shelby,what exactly is your gastrointestinal disorders you mentioned,specifically?and who diagnosed them if you dont mind me asking

 

Comment by anabea on December 15, 2011 at 8:54pm

no, not at all.... I think with those of us transitioning, especially those like me who are doing this alone and aren't watching others actually "doing" it.  It's all so hard to conceive.  It goes against all I was taught (and I am a counselor!!!) and it goes against what I have done and taught for years!  So, it's all mind blowing.  When someone takes the time to write out exactly what they do it is extremely helpful.  Not only is it an act of kindness, but it is such a teaching moment.

I have read so much, my mind is filled with so many facts, it's just great to to hear what someone does day to day.

I must say there is relief in the simplicity of it.  "Just eat 10 bananas"  It also resonates with this voice inside me that already "knows" all of this.  But years of SAD dieting, paleo dieting, restaurant foods, books on protein.... have so twisted my thinking.  So, I appreciate so much when someone actually goes to the trouble to write to a newbie and explain things in a respectful way.

Also, acknowledging that this is not an easy transition and giving hope is very healing.

So, thank you!!

Comment by jimmy on December 15, 2011 at 7:40pm

you're welcome anabea,hope I did'nt c*** on too much though

Comment by anabea on December 15, 2011 at 7:33pm

thanks Jimmy for taking the time to write all of that out.  That was fantastic!  Thanks 

Comment by jimmy on December 15, 2011 at 6:10pm

Its never failure,this journey can take time,we've all been down that road,every day's a new beginning.The sun always rises.

Comment by jimmy on December 15, 2011 at 2:22pm

Sorry Shelby,just joking but I'm a bit concerned you are overthinking all this and trying to work it all out perfectly,hence you feeling confused which is gonna stress you out which is'nt going to help.

I dont really have it down pat,I've had my ups and downs with this lifestyle but I've been around a bit longer than you.In the beginning I wiped myself out healthwise by following certain idealistic raw food diets(there was a raw food movement as far back as the early 1900's,they advocated eating everything raw,grains,potatoes,anything)and extreme fruitarian diets,natural hygiene,fasting,etc,etc,this was after going vego for awhile,at age 15,then vegan for awhile then mixing it all up and finally coming to some sort of semblance of raw 80 10 10......811 is not a new thing really its just been put in those terms recently.

One saving grace for me was I never followed the gourmet raw food philosophy of DW and co(which I only came across a few years back} with all the so called super foods,concentrated foods,dehydrating everything,high fat etc.I once read a few pages of one of his books which was talking about so called 'Hybrid' vegetables and fruits,and I thought,this guy does'nt know what hes talking about.The focus was not on fresh fruit and vegetables,rather it was super foods,recipes,etc.

Anyway,as Don says it can take awhile to sort it all out but theres more info around these days than 30 years ago so your fortunate in that respect.Hang in there and go with it.

As far as a daily menu goes for me,I dont really have any set thing and I dont count calories or anything.I sometimes eat mono meals of fruit,sometimes mix things up in the blender or in salads,etc.My focus is fresh fruit and vegetables,mostly organic and preferably bio-dynamic,I live on a BD farm here so that helps.5 yrs ago I did'nt have access to the land like now and had to forage for supplies at markets,etc.20 years ago I lived in the city.I might add small amounts of nuts(walnuts) or seeds(hemp seed,chia,pumpkin,sunflower,etc)or some avocado and a few supplements that Don recommends,esp B12.When I lived in Sydney I used to do a lot of cycling,at least 60 kms/day to work and home and long distances on weekends.I was pretty fit and my main staple was bananas.They sustained me more than any other fruit and easily available.My main so called meal was at night.I ate similarly to what I do now but probably more calories,I dont know.I've always been the same weight,about 70 kgs,even before I turned vego,with my height of 189 cms you might say I'm on the thin side but this seems to be my natural weight.I dont know how many calories are needed to sustain this weight but I must be getting enough.I have no desire to put on more weight.

 

I've eaten steamed vegs sometimes with some tahini dressing and occasionally things like BD brown rice,but am mostly raw and am vegan for a  long time.I eat a lot of fruit,some greens,lettuce,spinach,kale,etc,also root vegetables like carrots and beetroot.If I eat something cooked sometimes I dont stress about it,in the whole scheme of things its no big deal,honestly.

I dont eat so called breakfast for 30 years,I'm pretty active all morning on the farm drinking only water,I start getting really hungry around 11ish usually so then I eat some fruits,can be anything,whatever's in season really.If there was mulberries on the tree,for instance I would eat my fill of those,or maybe some stone fruit like apricots or peaches or citrus or blueberries,or melon,etc.Then I might do a few more activities around the place or chill out for awhile.About an hour or so later I would eat so called lunch.Could be just a pile of bananas(10/15 or so) or a big green smoothie or mangoes or persimmons,or other denser fruit,maybe have some avocado with it and some dates or soaked dried figs,something like that.Sometimes a big salad but I always put something sweet in it.If I eat nuts its usually at the end of the day.Around  sunset depending on what I've been doing all afternoon and how hungry I am I would maybe have a big salad with tomato, cucumber, dates and some avocado or some type of dressing made with walnuts or pecans or tahini or another green smoothie.I'd eat at most about 1.5 ounces nuts/day and say 1 avocado if I have them at all.If I ever ate say steamed vegs or rice it would usually be in winter and at night.

I found its not good to be too rigid about things and go with the flow a bit depending on what foods you have available at the time. 

Make sure you drink enough water,elimination is just as important as nutrition,what goes in must come out.I talked about this in another post.

Go easy on yrself and have fun with it,try not to stress about calories,weights and measures,etc

Hope this helps in some small way.

cheers! 

Comment by Nicolette Barnes on December 15, 2011 at 12:46pm

Sometimes I think it would just be better to ignore all the rules about food combining and calories and everything else and just eat what we really feel is best for us and what makes us feel best. I would think that if you feel good when you eat the dates and bananas together, then don't bother forcing yourself to eat them separately. I mean really, it's not like you're eating a cheeseburger!! And yeah, I never understand how people have trouble physically eating "enough calories" it seems that the calories add up so fast even with such a small amount of food. I just had a big salad with one large head of lettuce, one cup of wild rice, and a dressing of honey and orange juice with some spices and nutritional yeast, and I am just not hungry. I wouldn't even say I was full. And I know that in about half an hour I will be very hungry again... and that was a good 300 calories. Nothing seems to really fill me up much.

Comment by Nicolette Barnes on December 15, 2011 at 10:07am

Yeah, I think we "know what to eat" just by eating what we 'feel like eating'. Some days I crave bananas all day (then I start thinking, well, I should really eat something else, when there is no good reason not to keep eating bananas, then other days I have no desire for bananas at all) I think if it is water-rich foods you are craving or just simply "feel like" eating over the lower-water content foods, then that's what you should eat even if you are not getting many calories that day... chances are, by the next day or in a few days, you body will start leading you to want to eat more of the denser foods.

Haha - wow, Shelby, do you really weigh all your foods? How do you know the weight measurements of everything? I think sharing what we eat is a great idea. I don't have any GI issues, but I have an eating disorder, so it's basically all about being afraid of gaining weight (even though I can totally comprehend that I am too thin and don't even think I look good this thin, yet it still seems impossible to mentally get over the whole restricting thing. Physically, I would have no problem eating 3-4000 calories in a day, but mentally, I limit myself to 1500, and on occasion 1700, but that provokes quite a bit of anxiety) I have a never-ending physical appetite that I continuously deny... I really really want to over come this, and I believe that I will, but it is a sloooooowwww process.

So, a typical day for me (most days are pretty similar) looks like this:

  1. Green Smoothie (about 3 cups spinach, 2 bananas, about 1/4 cup or less berries) [250-300 cal]
  2. Salad (about 7 cups lettuce, 1 cup pre-soaked & cooked gluten free grain such as brown rice, quinoa, wild rice, millet, or buckwheat, with a dressing of honey and OJ or grapefruit juice, some sea salt, cayene powder, onion powder, turmeric, and about 1-2 tbsp nutritional yeast) [300 cal]
  3. Banana Ice Cream (about 2.5 frozen bananas pureed in the food processor with either a spoonfull of berries, or sometimes a persimmon and cinnamon, or about 1 cup spinach pureed with one soaked dried apricot) [300 cal]
  4. Apple [100 cal]
  5. Grapes [150 cal]
  6. Mandarin Orange [50 cal]
  7. 2 Bananas [250 cal]
  8. Kiwi [45 cal]

So that comes to about 1500 calories which is what I have been eating for several weeks and it is keeping me at my current weight of 84 lbs (I'm 5'6"). This past week I had a couple of days where I hit just over 1700, but my weight stayed at 84. This has been a bum weak for me so far depression wise, so I have actually gone under 1500 twice, so depending what the rest of the week looks like I will be curious to see if the weight stays the same. I would like to allow myself to eat 1700 without worry but that will be hard. But I really want to as I am ALWAYS so hungry only eating 1500. I really need to eat about 2300 cals a day to feel satisfied. I know this only because I have been hospitalized twice due to low weight and I had to eat about 3-4000 calories to gain weight as fast as the dr. wanted. Even then there were times when I was hungry, but of course after restricting so much your body metabolizes all those cals really quickly for a while, and I have a naturally high metabolism to begin with. In fact I don't remember a time when I wasn't constantly hungry - even before the eating disorder when all I did was eat.

 

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