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Permalink Reply by sally on May 29, 2012 at 2:36am

Hi. May i interject something to your last comment,Dovima?  Wow, neat name by the way, does it have a meaning? 

Well, all i wanted to say is, i personnally believe the 80/10/10 way to be the best way, but not everyone is going to be able to be on the "straight and narrow" not at first especially, and it is good to try and ease into to it, but even then every situation isnt going to be ideal. 

I have cheated myself recently thinking that this one time wont hurt and then its one more time...remember that phrase?  "As the cookie crumbles..."  Well, they say that is the way of an alcoholic too, he/she will start where they left off, and it is a quick slide from there. 

So for myself, I am going to rededicate myself to trying and then keep trying...and borrowing from another quote, from Japan.. "Fall down seven, get up eight." 

At least that way, I would be healthier than if I started looking for other diet plans that may work for me or eating less food to lose weight, (as you mentioned some other groups do) because those plans will not help with your longevity. 

Living in an inbetween mode...a mode of going back and forth is a miserable state of being, same with a continual searching when 80/10/10 really seems to settle all the questions of how to, and why and on and on...

so why do "I" still have a problem?...Because, I want my moment of pleasure even though..."A moment on the lips, is a lifetime on the hips."  I am going to write that on my hand! LOL. 

I am not condemning you or the others, because I have had the same problem but I am resolved to keep getting up 8, 9, how many times?  Wish me luck!

Permalink Reply by HolisticHealthDetective on May 29, 2012 at 5:21am

All I can say is WOW, everyone responding to this thread is amazing!! A group of super beautiful, courageous, and HONEST souls willing to be brave and stand up to inner demons. I'm so impressed.

I too have been having struggles of my own. I'm inspired more by these voices of honest struggle than by those who are out there rockin' and rollin'  LFRV 100%. I feel like they have something I don't have, but what I need right now are people who have something I do have. I hope together we can help each other overcome these personal limitations.

BTW, I do love the fantastic 811 newbie group. Is there one going yet for folks who are struggling and need to talk about their demons, and if not, anyone want to try to get one going?

Tania

Permalink Reply by John Jasper on May 29, 2012 at 5:45am

After reading this thread last night, I was reinspired to get my act together and get through at least one 24 hour period without a binge.  I have additional encouragement from the poor state of my intestinal tract at the moment.  I've been suffering from plenty of internal discomfort and heartburn over the last week but have even been able to ignore it while exacerbating the situation.

I'm not suggesting that anyone else should try this at the moment. Instead wait until you feel that you are in the right frame of mind and can be reasonably sure of success, however you might define it.

Permalink Reply by John Jasper on May 29, 2012 at 7:12pm

Lori,

I'm not quite 100% raw myself but a hair's breadth away from it.  Unfortunately, the times that I do join in with cooked or poorly-combined foods, I always feel diminished by it and then think, I might as well have a dessert to top off the feeling of defeat (or some psycho-babble nonsense to that effect!)

Yes, being on your own, literally or in the company of unsupportive people, is difficult for many of us.  Fortunately, through this forum and many others, you're never really alone.

I was successful in my renewed campaign last night and hope to add a second night to it, tonight!

John

Permalink Reply by sally on May 29, 2012 at 9:14pm

yip me too, i am having some physical issues that prevent me from being able to burn lots of calories so when i eat my smoothies and do lots of them, I have actually gained weight!  Since doing this i have gained over ten pounds, and i am getting worried about it, as i wasnt so thin before!  i just dont know how i can justify eating all the fruit that i want and not be doing hard exercise.  I went to the cronometer and just cant figure it all out. I am 5'7" and my goal is to be 125-130 pounds, but i am 162 right now!

Permalink Reply by John Jasper on May 30, 2012 at 3:57am

meghana,

I would ask what you're putting in your smoothies but that's not particularly important.  What I would do is suggest that instead of having smoothies, at least temporarily, just eat the ingredients the old fashioned way. You'll probably find that you either cannot be bothered to eat the same quantity or just run out of time but in any event, you'll be more in tune with the food that you're consuming.

I started making smoothies last month when an old filling broke and the dentist had trouble getting it fixed properly.  I've always insisted on eating my food naturally but due to the tasty combinations I was making and the hope that they will help me reach my weight gain target, I've continued with smoothies for the time being.  It's amazing how many dates you can consume when blended up with banana, etc.

Permalink Reply by sally on May 30, 2012 at 4:57am

I put maybe six strawberries (or instead of berries of any kind use maybe three dates) and three or four bananas and tiny bit water and crushed ice.  That makes a full blender full and then later that day I will have one more, then the gigantic salad with different veggies and maybe some more fruit added into my salad.  Am I over doing it?  I would love your feedback.

Permalink Reply by John Jasper on May 30, 2012 at 9:13am

meghana,

I wouldn't think you were overdoing it on the quantity of smoothie ingredients.  I estimate each of your smoothies to be no more than 350 kcals, so 700 kcals from smoothies. If anything, I would guess you weren't eating enough but that depends on what is going into your salad.  Vegetables don't provide much in the way of calories unless you're talking potatoes or adding in nuts, seeds or avocados.  Eating fruit with starch or protein is not an ideal combination and will most likely result in indigestion and reduced health.

That aside, it's possible that your weight gain is due to water retention, especially if this is a recent increase.  If you're not eating enough on a regular basis, your body will also attempt to conserve resources as part of the natural response to a famine.

Hopefully that's given you some ideas to consider.  You should definitely give up worrying about the situation as it will all balance out as soon as you get active again.  However, should you feel that your physical issues are not resolving as you'd like, have a chat with the folks at the water fasting support forum (http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=335) as sometimes just eating right isn't enough.

Permalink Reply by sally on May 30, 2012 at 1:44pm

Thanks for that.  I think maybe I have been cheating off and on by intaking beans like chickpeas and sweet peas and I don't cook them just eat them from the can by adding into my salads so then you are right, I also would have rice or baked or boiled potatoes.  I will give it another go and see if this time the weight will come off.  Also, I do believe fasts are the only way to get a deep tissue cleanse to detox so I was already planning that out.  I used to fast one day a week and three days a month and then seven days a year.  My weight back then was pretty good and I was a cooked food vegan back then.  Although the raw food life is better yet and my body is more flexible etc.

Permalink Reply by HolisticHealthDetective on May 30, 2012 at 1:52pm

Meghana,

There is ample testimony from folks in the 30bad community here that weight gain is actually normal for even up to the first year of 811 eating. It's the water retention. In fact it's a quite common report from 811 newbies. You have to trust the body that it knows what its doing when 811 seemingly makes you gain weight at first--no one who sustains it will keep gaining weight. Since you're one of the ones who experiences this frustrating effect, you should take comfort that the weight gain will probably cap at around 10-15 lbs extra of water weight, but it's not fat.

Plus-- as many have said around here--if you know how much you've gained, it's cause you're weighing yourself! So it's time to chuck or tuck that scale away and tune into how you're feeling, which is the best gauge anyway. Are you happier, more energetic? Do you feel hydrated and rested? Are your hips slendering and face thinning? Water weight will deceive your scale and mind but will not give you a jelly belly!

Also, my first smoothies had 3 or 4 bananas too, but I was always advised to get 8-10+ bananas in a smoothie. Add soaked dates and you'll be zinging with happy fruit energy. It took me a while to build up to that many in a smoothie, but it's great. Add only a bit of water and pulse them and they will cream into a lovely banana pudding-smoothie.

When I make berry smoothies I like to do a whole pint of strawberries! But then berries can be expensive. If berries don't come free or cheaply or best yet harvested from the wild, I don't tend to buy them since their small packages don't go a long way. Bought berries are more like a snack or treat.

I love date-strawberry smoothies!! 

You're not over-doing it! Delight in summer fruits enjoy fruit-feasting! = )

Tania

Permalink Reply by sally on May 30, 2012 at 2:03pm

Well, I was doing it wrong by adding beans etc into the picture.. so I will go back to the drawing board and begin anew and do what you and others do by adding lots more fruit and taking out the beans and potatoes and rice.  But I hear those are ok in Northern Climates which is where I live.  However, maybe do it only when I dont have fruit sufficient.

Permalink Reply by HolisticHealthDetective on May 30, 2012 at 3:39pm

Ya know, as far as I've determined it's a bit of a puzzle. On the one hand, I do agree with the idea that low-fat cooked vegan is better than high-fat raw, but then on the other hand eating anything cooked at all keeps that doorway open to eat less appropriate cooked foods. Ever heard of a vegan who decided a little cheese was ok and just stuck with that? Probably almost never, cause it's a slippery slope from there!

So, on one side if you eat just raw at any cost--even high-fat or fruit w/fat etc, it's a poor food choice. But if you're eating low-fat raw AND cooked, you're keeping the temptation of old cooked favorites in your life.

Like I said, it's still a puzzle for me. Not intellectually, but psychologically I suppose!

However, you should feel proud that your diet is a clean one! Raw w/beans, potato, rice...it's not exactly poison. = )

Best wishes on your journey, my friend! = )

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