One thing that puzzles me about this community is the need felt to drink lots of water. In the 80/10/10 book it is well documented that Dr Graham doesn't advocate drinking water when we get so much of it from our high water content food.
Permalink Reply by Peter Csere on Do we really get much of it from our high water content food? Most of our community in northern climates, due to cost and availability, get most of their calories from bananas and dates. Not exactly high water content there.
In addition, Doug gives most of his recommendations from the perspective of someone who has been 811 for a really, really long time. One example is his low recommendations in terms of calories - the body would not be that efficient right after 20 years of SAD! On 30BAD we have noticed that people starting out have a much better experience when they drink lots of water so it is recommended here. Maybe in 20 years they can get all their water from juicy fruits.
I'm in the UK and I get about 3 litres of water per day from my food. I'm afraid what water on top of that I consume I get straight from the tap. I have toyed with the idea of getting a distilling machine which are about £150 and am wondering how urgent an investment that should be.
I also wonder if drinking lots of water over a length of time affects your b12 levels as its a water soluble vitamin.
Dates I would agree with Peter but bananas are 75% water, if you ate enough bananas for 3000 calories (3.37 kg) you would get 2.5 litres of water out of them
Permalink Reply by IHaveALight - Chris on And you would feel very dehydrated if that's all you ate for the day without drinking water. Try it out. Bananas dry me out anyway.
My staples are bananas and dates but I do a melon each day and fill it out with fruit on sale that week and garden picks in summer months. I drink about 2-3 liters a day depending how hot, how dry and how active. I find that if i don't have enough water I get irritable and cravings occur. So I make sure to get that liter in first thing in the morning, another liter within 2 daily smoothies and whatever water I want in addition. Drinking all this water helps me stays on track and feels right, though I use the bathroom more than anyone I know.
Permalink Reply by ednshell on repost :D ...
Both Dr. Doug and 30BaD (DR and Freelee) agree with the medical standard that says that peeing with vigor 8-12 times daily (24 hours) is a good indication that you are well hydrated. Many go over that number. I have never heard or read Dr. Doug saying that drinking water is bad for you in any way. So I would just make sure you are well hydrated through these objective measures. If you need to drink water to be well hydrated it's fine, if you are able to be well hydrated through your fruit intake, great.
But reading 80/10/10 it's absolutely clear that Dr Graham is sending out the message that it's far better to be hydrated from your food than to drink water for hydration.
One of his messages in bold type reads: 'Humans are not designed to drink water. It's already in our natural foods.'
If you're not peeing 8-12 times daily surely the course of action to take would be to increase your high-water food rather than drink water to induce peeing. A man can drink pints of beer and pee 8-12 times in a pub in 2 hours but it doesn't mean he's hydrated.
Permalink Reply by ednshell on I agree that getting water from fruit is superior to drinking it, the quality would be better in most fruits, as well as your ability to absorb and utilize it and upping your watery fruits to get hydrated would be ideal but drinking water is going to be necessary for most people and I don't think there is any harm in it, at least I don't feel it and have never heard of any harmful effects.
Good point about the beer, yuck! :P So there might be other factors as well, those coming off of salt or other toxic stuff, runners, athletes and those who sweat a lot, hot weather, dry weather etc.
Permalink Reply by ApeGirl April on Don't sacrifice hydration for the sake of not drinking tap water, just get hydrated as your no.1 priority. The hydros filtering bottle is a a very good option for filtering tap water.
Permalink Reply by PK on @Stuart,
If you have a reference for where Dr. G doesn't advocate water, please share.
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In the 811 book by Dr. Graham, on page 153, he does discuss dehydration and the importance of drinking to the point of being properly hydrated, although he does not give an exact amount, as well as the consequences of not drinking enough such as impaired performance, muscular decline, heat exhaustion, hallucinations, circulatory collapse, and heat stroke.
The reason may be because everyone is living in different climates and may be eating different kinds of foods.
For example, primates living in tropical rain forests may not need to drink very much because they are eating a lot of watery citrus fruits, the air is humid and they may be breathing in vapor and therefore not loosing much water through the lungs, and they experience hours of rain a day keeping skin hydrated.
Now modern humans do not live in such conditions, and many of us live in dry northern regions and or deserts. On top of that, much of our food is just not very juicy for various reasons. Then many of us work, do sports, have hobbies, and experiences stresses and things that make us sweat that our primate cousins do not.
Now each person has to judge how much water they need. According to the 811 book, and experience of long term members here, we need to be peeing clear.
Some people may only need 8 cups of water a day to do that. But most of us here need about 3-4 quarts a day, that is almost a gallon. Once properly hydrated, pee will be clear, brain fog will lift, sinuses will clear, skin will be baby soft, and the intestines will move things along more smoothly than ever with stools being very light and fluffy.
Peace, PK
Hi PK
The message in the book is that Dr G. isn't necessarily not advocating water per se, more that it's healthier to be hydrated from food rather than eat food that leaves you dehydrated and then rely on water to make up the difference. On p157 third paragraph from the bottom second line reads.' Drinking huge quantities of water after causing extreme dehydration is not the healthiest option.'
I take your point about different people living in different regions of the world and i can only speak from a marine temperate climate here in the UK and we are having the wettest coldest summer i can remember. Had we had a summer of '76 maybe i would have felt the need to drink more water.
I'm not trying to be contrary to this websites principles it's just an issue personal to me that contradicts my experiences, i've only had 1 cup of tap water today (but then i have oranges and grapes first thing most mornings) and i feel hydrated, have no brain fog and i pee clear loads of times a day (i don't count : ) )
Thanks for your words, Stuart.
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