Why do you believe in a god?

I can not see any logical reason why one would believe in a god as there is no evidence for an actual god existing. That's why I wonder why so many people believe in a god.

So why do you believe in a god? :)

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Permalink Reply by sunwukung on July 22, 2012 at 4:13am

Of course we don't know how evolution works, there isn't a theory yet. But evolution is, for example, mutation of bacteria happens and it is observed.

So are you saying that finally trusting on our senses is an exercise of faith?

Permalink Reply by IHaveALight - Chris on July 22, 2012 at 4:47am

If you don't know how it works how can you even put a label to what you are observing?

But yes I am saying that trusting our senses is an exercise of faith as long as that observation is from a limited perspective, which it always is. How differently would humans, jumping spiders, mantis shrimp and rabbits define an object they observer with the sense of site? We can always create ways to observe things from different perspectives to expand our knowledge, but we still don't know all perspectives.

Permalink Reply by sunwukung on July 22, 2012 at 6:11am

I agree with you quite a bit but not in the use of the word faith so extensively, but I think I understand your point of view.

Permalink Reply by The Humane Hominid on July 22, 2012 at 5:15am

Of course we don't know how evolution works

Yes, we do.

Permalink Reply by sunwukung on July 22, 2012 at 6:16am

you know more than all the scientific community. One thing is evolution and many data and concepts we do have, and other thing is that selection, chance and what we (un)know about genetic explain even a bit of the whole.

A consistent theory with all the data (very huge) we have to be constructed yet.

A real theory with predictions and all the rest, not invented histories to fit the case.

Permalink Reply by The Humane Hominid on July 22, 2012 at 6:22am

A consistent theory with all the data (very huge) we have to be constructed yet.

A real theory with predictions and all the rest, not invented histories to fit the case.

Dead wrong.

The neo-Darwinian synthesis incorporates genetics and natural selection into a coherent theory that makes testable predictions, some of which have led to new discoveries in both the fossil record and modern medicine.

No, I don't know more than all the scientific community. I do, however, know what they actually know, and don't presumptuously pretend they know less than than they do, or less than me, just to make myself feel smart.

Permalink Reply by The Humane Hominid on July 22, 2012 at 5:15am

If you think we understand everything there is to know about evolution you're fooling yourself.

Not understanding absolutely every detail, and understanding a whole hell of a lot, are different things. You're attacking a straw man. If we'd stuck with faith, we'd never have discovered evolution at all.,

And regardless even if it were a fact, it still fits the definition of faith.

By definition, this is objectively wrong. You're defending a concept of "faith" that's self-serving, and lets you off the hook for examining your beliefs.

Permalink Reply by sunwukung on July 22, 2012 at 6:35am

Seriouisly I would like to see that kind of predictions to see how they explain something of the whole. What I have red from biologists is that we don't understand how the genome works given the huge level of complexity.

Don't feel attacked, man, it is only an statement, other point of view and probably we aren't going to develop it here for various reasons.

Excuse to Máximo Sandín, not to me, he (teacher of biology in a university) is who does that statements, and many other antidarwinism scientists,

it isn't an invention of mine. From what I reach to know and think (I satudied physics not biology), I tend to be agree with that point of view.

I pretend Nothing more.

Peace

Pd. why sometimes dissapear the reply button?

Permalink Reply by The Humane Hominid on July 22, 2012 at 8:20am

Well, the onus is on Sandin, not the biology community as a whole, to give evidence. What great biological problem has Sandin discovered that the modern synthesis can't account for?

I looked him up, and from what I can tell, all he's doing is proposing a greater role for horizontal gene transfer as a mechanism of evolutionary change. Sorry to break it to him, but even if true, that doesn't contradict the neo-Darwinian synthesis at all.

And by the way, we know exactly how the genome works. All the complexity does is prevent us -- at present -- from predicting every possible nuance of every possible combination. But mechanically, genetics is no mystery at all.

Permalink Reply by The Humane Hominid on July 22, 2012 at 5:11am

All four of my beliefs I've mentioned fit into this.

The first one, sure. The final three, no. Not even if you think they do.

Permalink Reply by IHaveALight - Chris on July 28, 2012 at 2:53am

. If we'd stuck with faith, we'd never have discovered evolution at all.,

If we stuck to religion, we'd never discovered evolution, would be a lot more logical argument on your part. Faith is not exclusive to religion.

The first one, sure. The final three, no. Not even if you think they do.

faith/fāTH/

Noun:

Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

Permalink Reply by IHaveALight - Chris on July 28, 2012 at 3:00am

Have you personally witnessed evolution with your own eyes? I haven't, I haven't even studied it. For me to believe in evolution is a complete act of faith. Someone who reads about evolution in text books and believes it is putting their faith into that perspective. Even someone who witnesses evolution and as such believes in it is putting his faith into what he has witnessed.