I can not see any logical reason why one would believe in a god as there is no evidence for an actual god existing. That's why I wonder why so many people believe in a god.
So why do you believe in a god? :)
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The definition of faith more relevant to this discussion is
2. belief that is not based on proof.
A "belief" based on proof -- or rather, on sufficient evidence -- is not faith.
I have faith in myself therefor I have faith in all that is. Unity (all are one). :)
I believe in God because God believes in me. :)
I don't believe in believing.
You say that people that believe in God can't think logically, but your post isn't very logical at all.
"And if something negativ happens they say to themselves, this is a punishment by god because i was a bad person"
Explain what's illogical about that. That's an extremely logical understanding of how the universe works. You are confirming it yourself with the rest of your explanation. "A logical person who believes in cause and effect will reflect all he/she did and find out of this process a solution... u've got health problems, cool, u see the mistake u did, and u will change your diet...."
You're saying the same thing. When we do something wrong we're punished and we need to correct ourselves. That is an extremely logical understanding of reality.
An atheist universe has no logic. Why does anything bad happen?? Well, for no reason at all. Why does anything good happen? No reason. There is simply no reason for anything good to happen, or anything bad to happen. There is no reason for anything to happen. We are living in ultimate chaos. There is no creator, no controller, no reason behind anything....
If you want logic in the universe, how can you accept atheism??
no. beyond illogical it seems irrational too in that you are not working with others to find a common understanding. it divides unnecessarily
punishment and rewards systems are outmoded
all ? (suspend logic use exaggeration?) things happen with cause and effect do we know the root of our needs? no but does that mean we lie and make it up? no , it means we work together to form better understandings that we have previous.
thing is it is not about wining or loosing but about understanding that those who jump the gun do harm to society for quite some time now in order to 'control' . I have not met a person with a Bright worldview that does not accept that things they can't know, and the same with a leader of a denomination they have said no they can't know too.
so where does this leave us. a Bright world accepting each other and working together. Just some don't understand their Brightness and may still exist in the closet about it based on their family.
Stalemate. Precisely. I know people use titles to lure people into a discussion, but RawNorway's discussion actually appeared to genuinely want to know why some people believe. But it has become apparent that she really wants an argument. I would love to have heard why people believe, and I'm sad that this discussion turned into a debate.
I have never had a conversation about religion that didn't turn into a discussion about facts and truth. I don't believe, although raised as a Christian, because the more arguments I hear, the less sense it makes to me. However, I believe that religious faith is a vital life support for some people - part of their identity. I wouldn't dream of changing that, but at the same time I expect them not to try and change me either.
I believe Karma is the thing that matters the most in society: be fair to the world and the world will be fair to you.
Religion is responsible for the development of many different cultures. So, whether it's all superstitious fantasy or not, it has definitely been a sculpting factor of societies around the world. There is no denying that - it's fact, in fact. So why don't I believe there is a God? Because, when science evolves and constantly finds new answers to our questions, religion usually is at a stand still. Of course I'm mostly referring to Christianity. It's what I know about the most. I studied the Bible as a child and was raised to believe there was a God looking at me 24/7. When I look at how the wind rushes through the leaves on a tree, I find peace in thinking it is how the world has turned out by incident. Mystery is OK. If there is a God, I don't believe this God is perfect. I think this God is the creator of everything, including devastation and accident. Those are in our lives constantly. Some people are born brain damaged. Some people kill innocent people. Tsunamis are terrorizing otherwise peaceful places on earth, where innocent people are hurt and killed. Is that not the work of God, the almighty creator?
I'm referring to the many varieties of etiquette around the world hahaha. Also, I refer to architectural aspect of cultures. Whenever science makes historical discoveries through archaeology, say of ancient Rome, many findings show not only parts of the technological timeline, it also shows parts of the current belief system at the time.
I think it is fascinating how some religions have been exchanged by others. In Scandinavia we had a plethora of deities - the Nordic Gods, and in ancient Greece and Rome they also had quite a few different Gods, each with their own area of expertise and responsibility.