I can not see any logical reason why one would believe in a god as there is no evidence for an actual god existing. That's why I wonder why so many people believe in a god.
So why do you believe in a god? :)
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Permalink Reply by sunwukung on July 28, 2012 at 3:18am Evolution has been observed, to some extent (mutation of bacteria, fosil record), I think, but what you say about having faith in what one has witnessed is true too.
I have liked very much the marcus aurelius' sentence.
I think when we are aware of our perspective (that we have one) we have the first undoubtable true, the first step to real God or whatever the name we want to use.
Permalink Reply by The Humane Hominid on July 28, 2012 at 9:45am Have you personally witnessed evolution with your own eyes? I haven't, I haven't even studied it. For me to believe in evolution is a complete act of faith. Someone who reads about evolution in text books and believes it is putting their faith into that perspective. Even someone who witnesses evolution and as such believes in it is putting his faith into what he has witnessed.
Wrong again. Faith is a belief that is not based on sufficient evidence. "Beliefs" based on sufficient evidence are knowledge, not faith.
Evolution can be directly observed in the laboratory, over generations of bacterial growth; in the natural world over generations of different animals and plants; and in the fossil record. SImply reading about it textbooks is not necessary, though it doesn't hurt.
Permalink Reply by IHaveALight - Chris on July 28, 2012 at 5:06am Not understanding absolutely every detail, and understanding a whole hell of a lot, are different things. You're attacking a straw man. If we'd stuck with faith, we'd never have discovered evolution at all.,
Without an omniscient understanding, how can you tell whether what you know is a whole hell of a lot or just a drop in the bucket?
Permalink Reply by The Humane Hominid on July 28, 2012 at 9:47am Without an omniscient understanding, how can you tell whether what you know is a whole hell of a lot or just a drop in the bucket?
Omniscient understanding is both impossible and unnecessary. This is a red herring.
Predictability and replicability are enough to establish something as truly known. If something works regardless of what people believe about it, then it is objectively true. If something is only true to those who believe, then it is objectively false, and not worth wasting time or energy on.
Permalink Reply by The Humane Hominid on July 28, 2012 at 9:42am faith/fāTH/
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The definition of faith more relevant to this discussion is
2. belief that is not based on proof.
A "belief" based on proof -- or rather, on sufficient evidence -- is not faith.
The faith that I have is belief in myself. That's the only faith that matters. Having said that, the reason that people have a devotion to those things you mention is that the search for truth is inherent.
Permalink Reply by IHaveALight - Chris on July 17, 2012 at 4:12pm I have faith in myself therefor I have faith in all that is. Unity (all are one). :)
Permalink Reply by Chris P. on July 17, 2012 at 1:21pm I believe in God because God believes in me. :)
Permalink Reply by NewYorkBanana on July 18, 2012 at 2:52am lol
Permalink Reply by Akincana Krishna das on July 17, 2012 at 6:40pm You say that people that believe in God can't think logically, but your post isn't very logical at all.
"And if something negativ happens they say to themselves, this is a punishment by god because i was a bad person"
Explain what's illogical about that. That's an extremely logical understanding of how the universe works. You are confirming it yourself with the rest of your explanation. "A logical person who believes in cause and effect will reflect all he/she did and find out of this process a solution... u've got health problems, cool, u see the mistake u did, and u will change your diet...."
You're saying the same thing. When we do something wrong we're punished and we need to correct ourselves. That is an extremely logical understanding of reality.
An atheist universe has no logic. Why does anything bad happen?? Well, for no reason at all. Why does anything good happen? No reason. There is simply no reason for anything good to happen, or anything bad to happen. There is no reason for anything to happen. We are living in ultimate chaos. There is no creator, no controller, no reason behind anything....
If you want logic in the universe, how can you accept atheism??
Permalink Reply by Sunshine on July 18, 2012 at 2:38am all?
no. beyond illogical it seems irrational too in that you are not working with others to find a common understanding. it divides unnecessarily
punishment and rewards systems are outmoded
all ? (suspend logic use exaggeration?) things happen with cause and effect do we know the root of our needs? no but does that mean we lie and make it up? no , it means we work together to form better understandings that we have previous.
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