Please don't yell at me for posting this, but I have read through numerous discussions on the importance of getting enough calories. I understand that, however; I feel WORSE on more calories. I feel sick when I try to eat anything near 2000 calories. I absolutely believe that living 100% raw fruit and veg is the way to go, but I'm small so why do I have to eat alot?
I'm short and have a small frame so it doesn't take much to get me full. Plus I am trying to lose weight/fat so why overeat? Stats: Currently 5'0, 125 lbs(I think - I stopped weighing myself - it kinda drove me nuts), and I'm 21. I don't do much exercise because I never feel like I want to. I do go to college with a giant campus so I walk everywhere.
I am not 100% yet because I seem to always give in when I go home and my mom has a home cooked meal made. That is due to my own issues of relating my mom's dishes to positive memories and feelings in which I give in. That's a whole separate issue I need to control.
Today I had three apples and an entire bag of grapes. I don't plan on eating for the rest of the night. I'm stuffed. That's a good thing right? Facts and what people say tell me that this is wrong and not enough, but my body is saying otherwise. I'm SO confused!
Permalink Reply by Rory James Armour on hit the nail on the head there.
Permalink Reply by Eli on You're not going to last long or get enough nutrients eating that little amount of food. It's something called nature. You stretch your stomach to allow for more calories coming from raw food.
Cooked food is extremely dense and requires less volume to consume.. your stomach has less capacity as it's only positive feedback regulation. 1000 calories is sufficient enough for a year old baby.
You feel full for now but in a matter of few weeks or days you will start gorging on bad choices. Been there done that. You have energy requirements and you need to fulfill them or you will eventually fail miserably. Sort of also explain why you give in so easily to your mother's cooking.. it only becomes a mental stimulation when you are nutritionally deprived.
Read 80/10/10 and 95% of your concerns and confusion will be gone.
Does that explain sufficiently enough?
Permalink Reply by Jasmine on Hey Eli,
That's the thing - if you're bigger you need more cals, but if your smaller you shouldn't need that much. Ok, I will explain why I give in so easily to my Mom's cooking: My parents disowned my two older sisters for converting to another religion. When my mom makes certain dishes, I am not eating them because I am actually hungry. I associate the food from when I was a child and I remember eating with my whole family and laughing at the dinner table. It has nothing to do with my lack of calories. If that was the case, I would shove my face with everything when I'm home, but I don't. I am going to therapy though to help me through my broken family issues.
I just ordered 8/1/1 and it is on it's way. A book can't always answer all questions which is why I like connecting with real people like you :) Thank you for your explanation and I see where you are coming from.
Permalink Reply by Greenmama on You keep giving in to your mom's food because you're hungry and need more calories. It's not an issue you need to control; it's an issue that will disappear when you eat enough fruit.
Like you, I resisted the info to eat lots of cals. I have told my story numerous times, but suffice it to say, I tried for 6 years to transition and struggled with falling off the wagon eating terrible junk every few days. I finally accepted that I needed to eat WAY more carbs, and it is working. This week I turned down:
1) A chocolate chip macademia nut cookie
2) Vegetarian pizza with olives
3) A fancy homemade cookie
4) Expensive chocolates
And, I didn't stop at the convenience store or go through a drivethru on my way home from work.
All of this would have been at least a little bit of a struggle for me before, but it is a breeze now. That cookie would have been super-tempting before. It smelled kinda gross to me now. Now I eat between 3,000-4,000 calories a day (I am 5'4" and a nursing mom who exercises daily... your number might be lower). I am easier to get along with, more energetic in my workouts, more productive at my job, more patient with my children. I sleep much better on my higher calorie days.
You can do it. People who don't eat enough calories don't last on this lifestyle.
Permalink Reply by Jasmine on I kindly disagree to why I give into my mom's cooking - read my response above to understand where I am coming from.
Thank you for sharing your story with me Greenmama. That is one heck of a journey - 6 years to transition is a struggle in itself. That is great that you are not even tempted by any other foods besides fruit. I'm happy to hear you are able to consume a lot of cals which make you more energetic, personable, productive, and patient. Thank you for the encouragement! I will definitely try my best to up my calories a little bit at a time.
Permalink Reply by Jon Fergus on Hey there. Greenmama is right, and you'd be wise to really consider what she says in her opening sentence, but to also follow her example. When she says "people who don't eat enough calories don't last on this lifestyle", she's stating what all of us who have been around for a while have observed. While there may be other factors in why you cave to certain foods, those factors will play no role whatsoever if you are consuming enough carb calories.
Simple truth in your situation is that you do need to eat more. The sooner you work that into your understanding the better off you'll be. Until then, you'll continue to bounce around like a pinball.
The 80/10/10 book will answer many of your questions. The welcome wagon will answer many more.
When you say: "Plus I am trying to lose weight/fat so why overeat?", it shows that you're still buying into the old, SAD mentality that leads to calorie restriction, which leads only to life restriction. Eat plenty to have plenty of energy and then use that energy to fuel your life. You will not, cannot, get fat on fruit. So eat up! :)
Permalink Reply by Jasmine on Hey Jon,
Ok I will carb up and eat more. Yes, you are right, I am still stuck in that mentality of calorie restriction. I think the reason for that is because all of my friends are tiny and they restrict so I know that works, however; on the flip side there are lots of people here that don't restrict and have an amazing life. It's all about changing my mindset. Got it! Thank you.
Permalink Reply by Jon Fergus on Hi Jazzy. Good to hear you're open to working on shifting your mentality. It's so important in this journey :)
I think the reason for that is because all of my friends are tiny and they restrict so I know that works
Thing is, calorie restriction doesn't really 'work'. It only gives a short term illusion. In the long run they'll suffer greatly for it, with reduced health and vitality. They're sacrificing their health in order to measure up to some artificial standard of appearance, and I promise you that if you can shift yourself away from that mentality and towards placing health first, you'll not only attain great health, but you'll blow your friends out of the water in looks - you'll not only be lean, but you'll have beautiful skin and you'll glow. Most importantly, inside you will be healthy too - in both body and mind.
If that sounds good to you, then give the full 811/HCRV lifestyle your best effort :)
Permalink Reply by Greenmama on Yeah, us "old-timers" have seen a lot of people disappear from the raw internet community. Sometimes they reappear. They do 30 or 60 or 90 days of calorie restriction, lose some weight, and then disappear. Then they're back again around January 1st, gained the weight back, feeling bad and start trying to lose it again. Sometimes they're gone forever. Maybe Harley sees them when he trolls around the Paleo sites. LOL! I don't know, I don't go there.
I do understand there are reasons someone might feel drawn to cooked food. I myself am not 100% raw yet, for various reasons. I made a commitment that the most important thing for me was 1) to stay vegan 2) to eat enough calories 3) to eat 10% or less of my calories from fat and 4) to stay positive and keep trying to do all the parts of this lifestyle--exercise, sleep, hydration, etc. I have stuck to that and am working toward the 100% fruit and greens. You can follow what I'm up to on my blog here at 30BAD since I'm doing Freelee's Challenge. Maybe you'll wanna join it?
Permalink Reply by Jasmine on You are so right. What I need to do is change my goals like what you have done. Stay vegan, eat enough, stay positive, etc instead of focusing on a goal like weight loss. The more I am reading and becoming more knowledgable, weight loss is coming to be such a silly goal when being healthy is the real issue. What's being skinny if life is miserable? Right? It's not worth it and we only get one shot at this life. I also love watching the numbers increase on your blog! You are doing fantastic.
Permalink Reply by Greenmama on I feel so encouraged by what you are saying here! I know you can do it. I love watching the numbers increase on my blog, too. Thank you so much for your encouragement and I'm glad I could be helpful to you! Big hugs!
Permalink Reply by Loveisintheair on Your affirmation that you're getting enough calories can be checked only if you cut out the cooked. I really think the feeling of being full is due to having fruit meals blocked by the vegan cooked meals you had before. Eg: potatoes, rice, paste, etc. Cooked starch is slower digesting than fruit, and it becomes a STOP point for quicker digesting foods.
I believe my theory can be checked if you stay 100% raw lfv -let's say 2 entire weeks)- your digestion will get much better - fruit will pass easily, and you won't feel full - just right, needing more cals.
Believe me, I tried to combine lfrv with cooked, and it did NOT work. Only whilst eating plenty of raw fresh fruit, all day long, as much as I wanted I truly managed to be 100% raw.
About mum's meal - I had the same excuse - but I realised it's b*******t. I don't aim to offend, or anything, but honestly now - my mum used to cook meat for me before, and going vegan did not stop her from cooking vegan, neither has lfrv ! She cooks salads for me, without salt nor oil. The whole idea with cooking is not WHAT mum cooks - but that it cooks it FOR YOU TO LIKE IT. My mum and grandma are happy to cook for me salads - and I enjoy the tasty food, I tell them I enjoyed it, and thank them. They're happy and I'm happy. What's stopping you ? (btw : cooking salads will be easier for them to prepare as well !)
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