Over the past 5 years I have read virtually all of the books from people such as Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra, and it just occured to me that I don't remember ever hearing any of the well known spiritual / self help authors say that they follow a vegan diet.
I have learned so much from these authors, but I have to wonder how people like these who have devoted so much of their life to learning and teaching about spirituality and higher consciousness haven't at some point decided to eliminate all animal products from their diet and encouraged their readers to do the same thing.
They are clearly aware of the the harmful effects that everything from thinking a hateful thought to watching violent movies has on us and the world around us, and I would go as far as to say that if I hadn't started reading these people's books I probably wouldn't have turned to veganism yet, because reading their books made me want to better myself and the world around me which eventually lead to me going vegan, so it seems strange to me that I've never heard any of these people talk about such an important issue... Maybe they don't realize that it's an important issue yet, but I kind of doubt that. (There are teenagers on this forum that are still in High School who understand what's going on in slaghterhouses and they simply don't want to contribute to it in any way.)
Yes, these authors are just human beings like everyone else, but millions of people read their books because they have such a powerful and uplifting message about life and peace on Earth and it just seems to me that they of all people would not be in favor of eating foods that requires the enslavement, suffering, and death of an innocent creature and would very much be in favor of a vegan diet, but for all I know they might eat meat 3 times a day and not see anything wrong with it. Anyone know what the diet of people like Eckhart Tolle is like?
- I have heard a lot of spiritual teachers say that they have eliminated red meat from their diets due to the harmful effects that eating red meat can have on US but as far as I know none of them have chosen to write about the devistating effect that our diet is having on animals and how we can put an end to a lot of death and suffering in the world simply by changing our diets.
- I have heard various spiritual teachers say that before we eat a fish or any other animal that we should take a moment to "Thank the animal for giving us it's life so that we can be nourished and live." but I would think that most of these people are aware of the fact that we don't need to eat meat in order to be well nourished and live.
- I have even heard some of the well known spiritual teachers defend a meat diet by saying, "How do we know that that the animals that have to die for our meals didn't willingly come to this Earth to make the ultimate sacrafice of giving us their life so that we can eat and not go hungry?" When you consider that hundreds of billions, if not trillions of animals end up dieing each year due to the human diet, that's a lot of lifes being sacraficed needlessly. Plus, even if it were true that the animals in slaughterhouses came to Earth to selflessly give up their life's to feed us humans don't we have to feed them like 10 pounds of grain to make one pound of beef? And can't a lot of health problems be traced back to animal consumption? If so the idea that they came to Earth to help feed humans seems a bit backwards.
Normally when a well known public figure speaks out publicly about animal rights it's someone that I would never supspect. (Like yesterday I came on here and saw the video that someone posted of Ricky Gervais encouraging people to help ban bull fighting... That was totaly unexpected.) So why do you think that some of the most recognized spiritual "gurus" haven't decided to take a stand on this issue?
By the way, I just listened to some audio of Wayne Dyer over the weekend and he was bashing fruit like he was Brian Clement. He said that Americans were obese and getting diseases such as cancer and diabetes mainly due to extremely high sugar intake. He said that children were consuming way too much sugar from sodas and candy (Which I'm sure that we can all agree with) but then he said that "Even natural sugars from fruits can be just as destructive" and he recommended that we limit our sugar intake to no more than 15 grams a day and he said that most bananas have about 17 grams of sugar, so eating even 1 banana a day would be too much sugar in a day. (He even mentioned the thing about hybridization causing fruits to have a lot more sugar in them than they did in the past.) It sounded as if he had recently watched some videos of Brian Clement on YouTube and was completely brainwashed by them. Sad :( And what's even sadder is that he announced during the lecture that he had just recently been diagnosed with leukemia... What a bad time to take on a phobia of fruit... The man is a millionaire living in Hawaii and he's afraid of of all that great fruit that he has such easy access to???
It would be very interesting to see what some these gurus would be like if they went raw vegan and encouraged their readers to do the same. Hopefully someday they will. I think that a lot of their readers would be willing to try it as well if they were promoting it.
Totally agree with you. About 2 years ago I stopped following a spiritual teacher, and one of the main reasons was that he was promoting eating red meat. I had reached a point in my spiritual journey where I could see that eating animals was terribly wrong, and in fact harmful for spiritual development, and so I realized I was probably more spiritually advanced at that point than my "spiritual" teacher.
If someone promotes eating meat, no matter who they say they are, I don't believe I have anything to learn from them.
It's sad that it seems to be such a radical notion to give up meat. Recently I found some amazing yoga teachings - but the teacher is fat? Many of these so called teachers are fat. He does say in his book that giving up meat is useful for spiritual advancement but NOT NECESSARY (!?). At the same time he says we need to follow a light, easy to digest diet which is high in carbohydrates (811 anyone?), but that an all raw diet is indigestible for humans and we must cook almost everything. It's so, SO sad.
I have realized that, as much as we can learn from different people, there isn't one single person that I have come across who has everything right. All we can do is learn the best from different sources, discard the rest, and try to be our best in every area of life.
the "new" age movement and the paleo movement are the same. but there's a bigger agenda then just money, maybe not for a lot of these guru's but for the initiators of this practice, it's slavery and keeping the slaves slaves. knowledge is power, you can't have carbed up people looking for truth.