What is the cause of diabetes and at what age does it become a risk factor? What are the symptoms? I know that the 811 book says that too much fat causes diabetes but I just read something on the internet that "consuming too little fat de-stabilizes blood-sugar levels, which is what eventually can cause diabetes." I read this at this web page http://www.13.waisays.com/diabetes.htm
Please someone read this and tell me its all BS. I am confused and I don't want to get diabetes. I am 32 and very overweight. I am very afraid of getting diabetes and I appreciate any input from anyone as to what I should do to insure good health.
Permalink Reply by Courtney on And some recent papers just to whet your appetite on the connection between high-fat diets and diabetes (insulin resistance):
High fat diet induces central obesity, insulin resistance and microvascular dysfunction in hamsters
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21889944
High fat diet induced hepatic steatosis and insulin resistance: Role of dysregulated ceramide metabolism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22176347
High fat diet-induced changes in mouse muscle mitochondrial phospholipids do not impair mitochondrial respiration despite insulin resistance
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22140436
Inflammation is necessary for long-term but not short-term high-fat diet-induced insulin resistance.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21911747
High fat diet induced insulin resistance and glucose intolerance are gender-specific in IGF-1R heterozygous mice
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21910970
So next time someone says that, ask them to provide some proof in the scientific literature on their claims that low-fat diets are better than high-fat diets in terms of diabetes. And if they start talking about some study, ask them if the study involved measuring diabetes risk using the HOMA index or a hyperinsulinemic euglycemic clamp, and then emphasize how important that distinction is, and that will probably be enough to shut them up ;)
Permalink Reply by Ben on Rivs, please read this. I think it will answer your questions...
I honestly think type II diabetes needs to be broken down into two distinct health problems. One would be insulin insensitivity. That is, the cells not being able to "hear" insulin's message to open up and absorb the sugar that's in the blood stream. Contrary to what you will hear on this board and the messages above my own, this is not JUST a factor of high dietary fat. I know plenty of people who eat a moderately-high fat diet and aren't pre-diabetic, not even high blood sugar. Why is fat such a big deal in our community? Mainly because of the amount of simple sugar we take in on a daily basis. I just did the math and I ate almost 1.5 pounds of sugar today! Not even your soda-guzzling, sundae-eating, candy-loving SAD eater comes close to that amount. This is the same reason why candida issues happen quite often in the raw food community. It's the mixing of fat and simple sugar that can cause problems. It doesn't matter if that simple sugar is from fruit, it can still cause some problems if there is too much fat in the blood stream.
So how do people seem to "catch" diabetes when their diet differs little from their peers. Its not that their fat content magically is higher than everyone else around them. The answer is that their metabolism is broken. It is broken through inflammation, yo-yo dieting, leptin resistance, and a whole host of other possibilities that can cause their systems to function less than perfectly. So your link about diabetes is generally correct except for the part about us NEEDING to eat fat with sugar. Fat and protein slow down gastric emptying and thus slow down the absorption of sugar into the blood stream. But what are the long term effects of increasing the amount of time sugar is hanging out in the digestive tract? Candida, parasites, flora imbalance, flatulence just to name a few. So it is decidedly much better to have an optimal functioning digestive system to absorb the sugars and an optimal endocrine system to handle them properly once they are in the blood stream. You don't need to combine your fats and proteins with sugar to hold up traffic. That's all bunk.
The second health problem is the glycating effect of high-blood sugar. Think of this as a slow caramelization of body tissue. When this caramelization process happens in the small capillaries of the eyes, you get diabetic retinopathy. When this happens in the nervous system you get diabetic neuropathy. It can manifest in many parts of the body but it all stems from the same problem. So when someone says they have diabetes, it generally is because their fasting blood sugar or A1C is X amount above the normal. But they really shouldn't think of it as a disease. Rather, they should think of this as their system not working right. Doctors will prescribe medications for this "disease" that lower blood sugar. They work. But you have to ask yourself, where does the blood sugar go? The muscle tissue doesn't want it, it's taken all it can handle. The liver, your body's glycogen storing tank, is likely full and even if it isn't, the liver cells are likely insulin resistant and don't hear the call to absorb the sugar. So you have these drugs like Avandia and Actos forcing the sugar OUT of the blood stream and accumulate as fat around heart and liver. Bad news. These drugs are destroying peoples bodys and increasing cardiovascular disease and even cancer risk. The solution will never ever be to force the sugar out of the blood stream. It's not to cut sugar out of your diet either. Fruit has been shown study after study to actually REVERSE the process of glycation throughout the body and improve insulin sensitivity. This is the very food that people are told not to eat when they are on a "diabetic friendly diet". Type II diabetes is something that can be reversed quite easily. The cure is exercise, a low-fat vegan diet, rest, water, and sunshine. It doesn't even have to be a raw foods diet though that helps tremendously. There are plenty of MDs out there curing diabetes with a cooked vegan diet.
Just imagine what they could do with 811
Good luck Riv. I hope this helps
Ben
Permalink Reply by Courtney on Just to add, I don't think that everyone was saying that a high-fat diet and only a high-fat diet causes diabetes--at least, that's not the way I interpreted it. :) It's just that a high-fat diet is a strong risk factor, whereas a low-fat diet is not.
Also just to add, in type 2 diabetes, usually increased insulin secretion and reduced insulin action (insulin resistance) often happen before someone has problems with high blood sugar. That is, the initial problem is with insulin clearing sugar from the bloodstream.
But yes, the technical definition of diabetes is high blood sugar resulting from defects in metabolism and accompanied by reduced insulin secretion, insulin action, or both.
Hope this helps :)
Permalink Reply by Diospyros on Well the site you're siting is not a credible site, it's just some author's diet site, the Wai Diet. That's all I know. Not that 30BAD is necessarily more credible, but the evidence is in the pudding (and science).
Permalink Reply by luke stewart on i am a master herbalist who knows your guaranteed to be reading bs because its everywhere. but heres how i look at it. diabetes is a molasses deficiency, refined sugar is missing it molasses. years of refined sugar leads to major mineral deficiency. high fat weakens circulation and can make diabetes worse. diabetics are encouraged to eat ketogenic diets so that they are not lving on sugar but rather ketones from fat burning. the probkem is this makes them acidic and they end up binging on refined sugar. for healthy blood sugar eat plenty of mineral rich foods, supplement with molasses, stop eating refined sugars, stop worrying. diabetics get worse over time because they use insulin and take doctor suggestions that are harmful.
you are at the age of consequences where you can no longer do anything and feel healthy. you need to take the 80/10/10 advice and get lean and strong. remember that your fear is like a self fulfilling prophecy that would lead you to diabetes from worry. also most diabetics start out that way by getting their blood tested and taking a suggestion of insulin for lowering their blood sugar, even if they didnt have diabetes. that is how doctors make diabetics. so stay away from them!
Permalink Reply by Ben on "diabetes is a molasses deficiency, refined sugar is missing it molasses."
You sure about that bud?
Permalink Reply by Verity on You just have to think- if too little fat is the cause of diabetes.... then why is type 2 nearly ALWAYS associated with a person who is overweight? Definitely not because theyre eating too LITTLE fat.
Permalink Reply by DUNCAN LEWIS on when tried eating lots of fat and no sugars on the swedish LCHF I dropped 20lbs down to 136lbs.
Permalink Reply by luke stewart on heres a question:
can a disease be cause by 2 things? or does everyone believe the medical model of one cause for every one disease? and no mixing of disease or causes.
simple observation:
minerals taken out of sugar like chromium when supplemented increase insulin sensitivity. Too much fat in the diet and body increases insulin resistance. so simple deduction dont eat mineral deficient foods, and dont eat high fat diets, especially mixed with refined sugars. should it be so complicated?
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