Many people here tend to say they are vegan for ethical reasons and that they are 80/10/10 for health.
However, I'm interested to hear people's ethical reasons for being raw.
Is improving one's health completely separate from ethics?
What I would be VERY interested in is to hear from someone who started eating 80/10/10 for ethical reasons first and foremost, and for any personal reasons (like personal health) second.
Perhaps for the environment, as it seems to be fruit is the most efficient in terms of calories produced and land/resources used.
I also know that some people believe in only eating fruit that's fallen from the tree but that doesn't seem so in line with 811 or this forum's values (meaning wouldn't it be hard to find enough fruit that has exclusively fallen off the tree?)
Permalink Reply by pradtf on
Is improving one's health completely separate from ethics?
in this situation the two would seem to go hand in hand nicely. consider:
the usual corpse eater whine of "you kill animals by eating plants" song and dance is a tu quoque fallacy anyway:
(watch shelley's video in the link provided btw)
this doesn't really address your question precisely, but the info is nevertheless interesting i think.
in friendship,
prad
Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on I used to get into the debate what was better for the environment, fruit or starch. When we look at how little starch is actually grown to feed humans vs animals then its pretty not worth debating.
For example 80% of the corn produced in the US goes to feed livestock. Only 12% gets eaten by humans and most of that is via processed corn vs corn on the cob.
Permalink Reply by Brian on Hey Harley how do you know 80% of the corn is used for livestock on that web page. It just says how much is produced, not how much is produced for what. I just would really like to know this because I've been searching for this information myself.
Permalink Reply by Jean-François Noubel on Hi Jenni,
I think that being a healthy, happy living person IS an ethical reason by itself. Don't we evolve in the world, make decisions, act? Manifestations coming from a healthy, free, happy person are certainly not the same than those coming from people trapped in the conventional matrix.
Another thing is that eating raw fruits doesn't destroy any form of life. On the contrary: it CREATES life. Also it's pure gift economy as this is food directly offered to us.
What about the ecological foot print created by cold northern countries importing fruits from the south? Well, again, let's look at the facts: more trees, no plastic, no containers, no manufacturing, no cooking energy. I think the equation is easy to understand...
How is that?
Permalink Reply by Peter Csere on Carbon footprint. Even me living in northeastern USA paying for bananas shipped from Argentina takes less energy than buying a local, organic grass-fed steak. Think of the energy that goes into raising a cow for its entire life vs. the energy that goes into raising fruits, which take one season to grow and ripen with very little input. The plane/boat ride barely even affects the equation because of the sheer number of fruits that are shipped and the efficiency they are shipped with. Doesn't even APPROACH the carbon footprint of meat.
Permalink Reply by Kenichisan on If we eat no organically fruits we often harm the people who harvest them, especially in the Southern part of the world and they working for one dollar a day or so 12 or 16 hours a day.
Its harms people, animals and environment there.
The carbon dioxide footprint is only a small part of it, food crops also produce dinitrogen monoxide <N2O> by fertilizing.
The fruits need a lot of water to grow and are often in plastic wrapped (comes from oil in arabian staates and manufactured for transport and sale produced in china.
I have geography in school and know more than I like about all this, so I try to live as ethical as possible.
Permalink Reply by Vincent on Hello Jenni,
I feel that a fruit/vegetable(/nut) diet is the most appropriate way presently to align myself peacefully with the intention/will of my surrounding.
I observe that animals do not wish that I eat them: they hide, run away, show fear, scream when captured, etc. On the contrary, trees offer me their fruits: the fruits stand still, often fit well into my hand (mangos, oranges, bananas, apples for examples), they are very easy to eat. Interestingly, trees offer the flesh of their fruits but apparently often not their seeds: the kernels hide in hard shells, their taste can be bitter and their chemical analyzes have often shown the presence of toxic components (for example, cherry seed kernels contain some cyanide derived components).
My sense of taste confirms these observations: animal guts are not appealing but the sweetness and texture of fruit flesh are. It is only when I use the power/force of my cleverness/ingenuity upon the animal kingdom, by cooking, that I can transform animal flesh to become attractive to my senses.
That observed, I keep a vivid impression of one childhood experience. A Muslim friend came to our garden to kill a lamb. As I observed the ritual, I saw him caress the lamb's head and give it some salt before slitting swiftly its throat. Maybe there was even a short prayer.
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