I've had 3453 calories today and 906g of carbs all from bananas, mangos, and medjool dates. I was wondering if I don't burn it all off what happens to the extra energy and how does it not lead to weight gain? I'm not so worried about gaining weight, I'm just curious as to the science behind it.
My diet today with bananas, mangos, and dates is:
94.6% Carbs
2.1% Fat
3.2% Protein.
Any science or info on the matter would be great thanks!
I've been LFRV for 5 weeks not with no cooked food and nuts and seeds. Most of my calories are from fruits except the occasional romaine lettuce or spinach.
Permalink Reply by ORGANIC811LFRV on Danny, great question and one that I'll read the replies on. I do know that it is important to get your greens in also. I don't see where you had any in your eats today. Do you eat or drink any greens??? That is a necessary part of 811rv.
Permalink Reply by Danny Bergman on Yeah I usually have a pound of greens but I recently ran out of them. I'll get some more in tomorrow.
Permalink Reply by ORGANIC811LFRV on Danny, best not to leave out the greens. You'll start craving salt or worse. We need the balance in our diet daily. When I grocery shop, as I did today, I make certain I come home with a minimum of 7 lbs of greens and mostly 9.
This is really great info. Since you all know so much, would anyone here be able to also share how the fat loss happens from the science point of view? I'm happy with my slow and steady progress... just like Danny I am curious. It doesn't appear to be from restricting calories (since we don't do that) or from exercising more calories away than consumed. I love this lifestyle and am so over restricting calories. Just curious. Would also be nice to be able to explain it to people who think that no one could lose weight eating so many calories.
Permalink Reply by ORGANIC811LFRV on Read the China Study for some of the science in back of some of this.
That really won't help you with the criticisms and poo-pooing element from the masses. What will help you and them is concrete results! Best darn "scientific proof" available.
Permalink Reply by Rohan Smith on If we burn dietary glucose, and then exhaust our glycogen supplies, we then begin to break down fats (lipolysis).
Sciencey explanation - When glucose and glycogen are depleted, it initiates the release of glucagon from the pancreas. This activates enzymes within the fat cell to break down triaclyglycerol (3 fatty acid chains attached to 1 glycerol chain). The glycerol molecule and fatty acid chains then move down separate pathways. Glycerol goes thru a few reactions before being available for either glycolysis or gluconeogenesis (both ultimately yeilding energy). The fatty acids go thru a few reactions before arriving at the beta-oxidation stage. This is basically a 4 stage process that removes 2 carbons at a time from the fatty acid chain and turns them into energy intermediates (which then enter the electron transport chain). The process continues until the length of all the chains have been oxidised.
Permalink Reply by Christopher Du Ponte on If Durian rider says to never restrict calories to loose body fat but the above science explanation suggests that in order to burn body fat for energy, you must deplete your bodies glucose and glycogen supplies, someones wrong?
Sure you might not put on fat but how are you meant to burn it off if your bodies always in energy surplus?
Permalink Reply by andrius7 on Your body adipose (fat) tissue is not just sitting there. Fat, like protein, are actually constantly recycled: fatty acids are leased and could be used for fuel. If not used then resynthesied into to TG (tryglicerides) and end up inthe adipose tissue again.
In addition, some organas and tissues actually run mainly on fat, e.g. heart over 50% of energy gets from fatty acids, this could be even higher at night.
So it is not true that you only burn fat when your glycogen stores are depleted.
Also in some textbooks say that Fat burn in the flame of carbohydrates in other words in order to burn fat you need carbohydrate.
However, I do not think that overweight ppl need to start eating tons of food to loose weight. Sure they need to eat enough, to have energy to be active, but not to stuff themselves like 'pigs' by holiday table.
Permalink Reply by Christopher Du Ponte on Firstly thank you for your response its much appreciated.
If what you claim is true, which I'm sure fat does have a role, considering the amount of fat we HCLF vegans is which for myself is around 4-5 percent surely that would reflect the amount of fat our bodies need for the processes you spoke of in your response?
My only hypothesis is its not calories in calories out. When we get fit our bodies create the right environment for us to become fitter and more efficient at being fit which means less weight and therefore dumps fat to achieve this.
Because theres not such thing as a fat fit person?
Permalink Reply by andrius7 on In regards to calorie in calorie, Ive read a paper (but I cant remember the title now), that in some people, when calorie intake is increased, body simply adjusts by increasing metabolic rate and therefore person do not gain weight, whilst in others increased caloric intake without increased energy expenditure leads to weightgain.
Permalink Reply by Rohan Smith on Thats really interesting Andrius, i didn't realise that the heart utilizes fats over glucose. Thanks for the info.
Permalink Reply by Jasmine Marie Lynch on I also thought about this, but I think that getting enough calories really mostly stops people from falling off the wagon. The fat loss would eventually happen still but maybe slower.
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