I know that we aren't supposed to count calories, but let's say I had 30,000 calories in one day. Of course, that would be way more than my body needs, so what happens with those extra calories? Are they all excreted when I use the bathroom?
Permalink Reply by Durianwriter on It's simple. You'll get fat.
First, sugar feeds the cells. About 400 calories get stored in your liver glycogen, your muscles can hold maybe 1500-1600 calories of glycogen, if you've depleted your muscles by exercising. Eat more than that, and the rest will be metabolized and converted to fat. Yes, that's right: FAT. There is about 4% burned in the process of digestion (thermogenesis), and perhaps 23% lost in the conversion of carb to fat. But that means that for every 100 calories that you overeat, you're going to store 70% of that energy as fat.
Does it make sense evolutionarily that we wouldn't store excess? That our highly efficient bodies would "flush" the abundance of calories we found on a given day, so that we would starve on those days when there wasn't food? Fruit is seasonal, there are times when there is not much fruit around.
It's true that we have to eat more volume, and possibly slightly more calories due to lower absorption of calories in raw foods. And given the non-stimulating nature of the diet promoted on here, it is unlikely that someone will long term desire to overeat. But this myth that you can overeat forever on fruit needs to stop. It's hurting people.
Permalink Reply by Sunshine on it is no myth it is called thermo gensis and there is a reason this is a diet of abundance.
it turns to heat simple carbs can not be stored.
Permalink Reply by Durianwriter on Only about 4% of calories are lost through thermogenesis. If you read my post you would know that I already addressed this. I encourage you to read more about the process before making ignorant statements such as your last sentence. Spreading misinformation is not helpful to anyone.
Permalink Reply by Sunshine on ? why are you trying to make a fight?
i stand by what i said and i say your 4% # concerning strictly simple carbs misleads. and say avoid the use of projection
peace and love. if you really thing the body can store simple carbs that to me sounds like paleo illogic or some thing from a text book unfamiliar with what we do here with 80 10 10.
i suggest you read this http://www.raw-food-freedom.net/thermic-effect-of-food.html
to get familiar with the thermic effect of the type of food we eat. i agree with you that we want to store and our body is programed to do that but that would be on traditional high protein/starch/fat foods, grain , legumes, tubers possibly. (and milk/meat, oil, salt)
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Permalink Reply by Durianwriter on Dear Sunshine,
I am not trying to pick a fight with you personally. But I am sick of people pretending that excess calories will magically melt away. The link you provided is a good layman explanation of the basic mechanisms of thermogenesis. But it doesn't refute my point that only about 4% of calories from carbohydrates get released as heat.
I'd love to go into this more and get a real discussion going about thermogenesis, and post some sources for all you lovelies to enjoy. But unfortunately I don't have the time right now. Maybe we can call on Adam can help us out?
For now, let's just think about it. One kilocalorie (the unit we use as a "calorie"), is needed to raise the temperature of one liter of water by 1 degree celsius. Let's see how hot we can make the human body by converting an excess of 2,000 calories into heat.
I'm going to use a female body, because I'm also sick of all the figures being for males, who are quite a bit larger and have different composition then us females. And you may notice, most of the people having trouble on this diet are females.
Take a 120 pound/54.5 kilo female. The female body is about 60% water by composition. Men have slightly higher water content, around 65%. So the average woman is about 32.7 kilos, or 32.7 liters of water, at a body temperature of 37 degrees celsius (98.6). Let's add 2,000 kilocalories of heat released by our magical thermogenesis.
1 kilocalorie will raise 1 liter by 1 degree celsius.This would raise all the water in her body by 61 degrees Celsius, for a total water temperature of 37+61=98 degrees Celsius, or just short of boiling!!
Obvsiously not all heat is absorbed by water, but this is a crazy illustration of the sheer amount of heat 2,000 calories converted solely to heat would generate! I think this would be very uncomfortable, even given that we would be releasing such heat from our skin. I think at this rate of releasing heat, we raw vegans would be running around in snow storms no problem. But this is not the case - many of us, particularly women, complain of being cold. If only thermogenesis really worked like this! :P
Permalink Reply by Sunshine on in reply i say there are different types of callories .
Vesanto Melina(interview in my playlist) is a very experienced nutritionist and from what i heard of her she agrees with me on simple carbs (when she says 801010 works because of the volume) and sugars(with fiber) not being absorb able once your glycogen reserves are full.
in this thread it has also been explained that what does not get used gets secreted beyond that witch gives energy, helps build muscle, or gets absorbed.
and like i said i have a following of women dealing with weight issues who take my advise and have lost some over 70 pounds not restricted what so ever carbs.
Permalink Reply by Kerrigan on It's not a myth to eat as many calories as a person desires and the "myth" is not over-eating, you're simply under-eating most likely. If food is plentiful in nature and humans are able to eat lots, they will eat lots and their bodies will enjoy the nutrients, their body won't punish them for all of those nutrients with obesity. People don't get fat from fruit and salads unless they dump a bunch of dairy/meat/oil on them. When a person in nature stores fat in order to survive it happens in time of a famine. As they eat fewer and fewer calories the body realizes there is a shortage of energy and food, so it stores the food as fat to prepare for the famine.
"1 kilocalorie will raise 1 liter by 1 degree celsius.This would raise all the water in her body by 61 degrees Celsius, for a total water temperature of 37+61=98 degrees Celsius, or just short of boiling!!"
The human body doesn't work that way, she will not going to begin to boil because this female example will sweat which lowers the body temperature after it has been raised, which evaporates and cools down the skin, will make the female thirsty, and she will then drink cold or room-temperature water.
Permalink Reply by Mark on Hi Lisa,
Sure thing, not sure if this could ever happen, I mean, who could eat 30,000 calories in a day? :) Perhaps your question was meant to be more like what would happen if you ate 500 or 1000 more calories than you calculated it needs in a day?
Here's what I've found.
First, if you eat enough fruit, you won't be hungry and won't overeat. You'll eat enough to satiate yourself and not want to eat more. You'll feel horrible trying to eat more fruits or veggies than you physically can (a sign that you ought not do it IMHO). I've eaten lots of fruit and less fruit, different amounts on different days over the last 8 years, and the last 5 years, I've been at the same weight the whole time (go up and down during the day, but the same weight every morning). So apparently the 'excess' calories don't do anything in regards to weight gain or loss if they are simple carbs. And anyone I ask doing this has had the same experience. Is this what you were trying to determine?
The only way I can see overeating or eating excess calories that have an effect is if you're eating cooked, processed or high fat foods, which as we know, bypass our natural sensors and allow us to eat more. And those foods aren't a part of 80-10-10.
HTH
Peace.
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