What do you guys think of cooked junk food vegans?

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Permalink Reply by BigG. on December 4, 2009 at 12:55pm

They normally smell bad and look like they crawled out from under a rock that was in a sewer.

The good thing is they are not eating body parts anymore.

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Permalink Reply by fruitbatanne on December 4, 2009 at 1:28pm

I have great respect for anyone who ethically chooses a vegan way of life ♥

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Permalink Reply by pradtf on December 4, 2009 at 4:56pm

imho, there seems to be considerable confusion of either the word "love" and/or the word "vegan" by some people here.

as fruitbatanne says,
I have great respect for anyone who ethically chooses a vegan way of life
i do too.

the reason is that these people have made a conscious choice to not support the imprisonment, exploitation, abuse and murder of sentient beings. that's a rather important choice because the ramifications go beyond the agony that billions of animals have to go through just so certain people can, as bigG says, "worship their belly". these ramifications go to keeping our planet habitable. they even apply to the individual health of people who have made the choice even if they are at a stage where they can't quite distinguish between junk vegan and healthy vegan food.

this is a long, long way off from corpse eaters who know about the cruelty, but still support or even engage in it. if you want to love this group, that's fine. however, at least acknowledge what they do to other beings, to the planet and to themselves all of which is going to affect us and our progeny in various ways.

at least, when you say you 'love' them (and i really do wonder what the word has come to mean), say that your love doesn't give them the seal of approval.
at least, speak out against their actions whatever you may decide your feelings are for them.

there was a time when people used to understand that love is a very logical process - even eharmony realizes that!

now it seems that for some, love has become yet another narcissistic journey into making oneself feel good about oneself. gandhi loved, but he did not tolerate.

it seems that if you speak out against the oppressors, you are engaging in some unpardonable act of violence. gandhi abhorred violence, but even he said better choose violence over cowardice.

if you have any doubts about what people really do to helpless beings (of whatever species) spend some time in the category speak up for the animals which was setup so that people had a better reason than personal weight-loss to go veg.

take a good look at some of the pictures and the videos.
take a good look at those who support and practice the atrocities.
take a good look at those who oppose the imprisonment, exploitation, abuse and murder of sentient beings.

the exercise can lead to a really good understanding of just who is who on the playing field including the observer engaged in the exercise.

in friendship,
prad

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Permalink Reply by Via on December 4, 2009 at 10:31pm

I agree. I love many people, but I don't approve of or condone everything they do, especially when it hurts others. I believe that what they do affects me too because everything is connected. The suffering they cause to themselves and others should be addressed because it is a small world afterall.

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Permalink Reply by Kelin on December 5, 2009 at 3:35am

You bring up a really good point, Prad...the difference between love and tolerance. Even Jesus (and I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but as a Christian this is my life), who was often thought of as extremely accepting of everyone because he kept company with prostitutes, murderers, thiefs, and various other sinners, differentiated between love and tolerance. He LOVED the people, but he made it clear that they needed to turn their back on their sinful actions. I think (obviously) that His is the perfect example...we should love people, not judge them (where judging means thinking that because we "saw the light" sooner than they did that we are somehow better), but still let them know why it is so important that they change their ways.

It is entirely possible to love people in spite of their intolerable actions when you remember that you were in their shoes at one point. You wonder what love has come to mean? Well, I loved everyone before I became vegan. That didn't change when I changed. According to Wikipedia, love is "a deep, ineffable feeling of tenderly caring for another person". Every person I come into contact with, vegan or not, I deeply care about. I would lay down my life for any given person because I consider each to be better than myself. My love for meat eaters is not dependent on their changing, but I try to communicate to each meat eater how important it is to become vegan because by not doing so they are hurting everyone else, who I also love.

[hope that made sense]

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Permalink Reply by pradtf on December 5, 2009 at 4:29am

it made perfect sense, kelin.

meticulously logical and expressed with engineering precision! ;)
people think jesus was a carpenter, but in actual fact, he was an engineer constructing a followable code of ethics through his words, his understanding and his activity!

you wrote (and so well too!):
My love for meat eaters is not dependent on their changing, but I try to communicate to each meat eater how important it is to become vegan because by not doing so they are hurting everyone else, who I also love.

the true expression of love is agape - it is god's love for creation - a gift we are all given which stays alive no matter how some try to squelch it.

it requires recognizing the value of all sentient beings.
it requires we be kind in thought, vigilant in awareness and dynamic in action.
it requires reminding (in whatever way necessary) those that hurt others, that they really can do better ... because that is not whose image in which they were made.

in friendship,
prad

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Permalink Reply by Alison Andrews on December 4, 2009 at 5:35pm

I also greatly respect vegans for choosing to eat consciously. Whether they then choose junk food or health food is entirely up to them, and is neither right or wrong. By choosing to be vegan you are making a dramatic difference in the world and that is to be applauded. Whether someone is raw or not or chooses to be healthy or not, is much less important in the grand scheme of things.

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Permalink Reply by Shannon on December 4, 2009 at 10:54pm

I think that they've come a long way from eating animal products and I'm proud of them for getting farther than most SADers ever will.

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Permalink Reply by Sultana on December 4, 2009 at 11:07pm

At least their hearts are in the right place.

Hopefully they will learn how to benefit fully from their compassionate lifestyle.

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Permalink Reply by MADO on December 5, 2009 at 2:20am

do you think they are better than raw primal diet people?

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Permalink Reply by Chad on December 5, 2009 at 2:26am

They are more caring towards animals and the environment, yes.

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Permalink Reply by Karmyn on December 5, 2009 at 2:47am

Sure it's one thing to damage one's OWN body with junk vegan foods, but when I see vegan parents feeding that s***e to their children ...

Storm Talifero's junk food rant sums up quite nicely what I feel about the subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqRJz0uAV9Y

It was one of my favorite parts of the documentary, "Breakthrough."

If these vegan junk food junkies really care about animals more than themselves, then why don't they care about the health of their children?

Don't their children deserve just as much compassion as the animals they want to protect?

Sure I have compassion for other animals, but I look out for MY SON more.

I don't have patience for ignorant people--there's TONS of information nowadays about making healthier choices.

So what's stopping these (vegan junk food) junkies?

Karmyn
http://karmynmalone.com