This article states that oxalates of large amounts of greens every day can lead to kidney stones. I've also read that large amounts of vitamin C contribute. Pretty much all fruitarians eat over 5-12 times more vitamin C than the average person. Should I be worried? Here's the article.
This is why dark greens are not a part of the 811 diet/Natural Hygiene (which some people argue are two separate things but Doug Graham is a natural hygienist and mentions NH many times in his book so that's just hogwash.)
Actually, I believe that Doug says somewhere that the darker greens are not a part of the diet because they are high in insoluble fiber, making them difficult to digest and irritating to the digestive tract.
Agreed. Some things just don't go down as well :P
Right on Peter!!
I'm glad this thread is around, cause my chief has kidney stone problems and he's on the oxalate diet diet or whatever. I don't buy it so I was looking for a better answer
Just heard from a smart guy(really he is) today why he can't go vegan. He says he has kidney stones and so can't consume oxalates. Some people just overthink and come up with the craziest excuses.
Thanks Paul M for the article. I was looking for an answer, feeling much better after reading it. Victoria is a great promoter of green smoothies, I guess she would be the first one to experience if something goes wrong.
Are we doing to cruciferous vegetables what the pharmaceutical industry did with Beta Carotene, Vitamin C, etc, etc? What I mean by this is that, taking an orange for example, it is a great source of Vitamin C yet synthesizing it to take it as a concentrated form has minimal proven benefit. In the case of massive doses of beta-carotene, it was outright detrimental. I believe that the true value of the orange lies in the synergistic effect of the fibre, water, various vitamins and minerals-these all work together beautifully. Oxalic acid is a single component of cruciferous vegetables. What about the rest of it?
Hi Noelle Kells.
I like your logic ... I feel similarly about the calcium phosphorus ratio 1:1. Lots fruits and some vegies have the ratio in favour of phosphorus (dates, bananas, apples,watermelon),which makes impossible to get 1:1ratio- let say on 30 bananas a day. Perhaps nature knows best how to design and we tend to overanalize.
If someone dosn't feel good after eating certaing things I think they should'n force themself.