I got my blood work test result back.
First time ever I have not been anaemic since the age of 12. ( I am now 49 - that 37 years of aneamia from being under carbed - and they blamed it on the veggie lifestyle!)
However my B12 = 211 ng/L.
I asked my GP if she could give me B12 shots if necessary - she said NO.
Are you in the UK? Have you found this?
Any way around it?
Most doctors don't do MMA testing unless asked specifically - unless they are forward thinking and actually bother to do research outside of their basic training and pharma funded CPD lectures.
But you can request it. And I always recommend that people do. Serum B12 is the standard indicator. Some more progressive doctors also ask for homocysteine, but not usually unless requested or there are CVD concerns.But you usually have to insist on an MMA test to get it. Especially in the UK on the NHS, since it is a more expensive test than serum b12.
i love hearing this because it blows conventional thinking out of the water
totally impressive carlos
I still cannot understand why people cannot comprehend the idea of getting nutrients from living plants. That is really what this site is all about - eating the foods that we're physiologically adapted to i.e. raw fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds instead of trying to exist on cooked foods and highly-synthetic processed "foods." If we turn around and start consuming highly-processed nutrient supplements regardless of their source, what have we gained?
I took several hours tonight trying to find evidence of how hydrocobalamin supplements are manufactured and finally realized that we're actually talking about HYDROXOcobalamin which made it a bit easier. A patent for a process that would (and probably did) replace the prior method for creating hydroxocobalamin is registered at http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5338418.html which starts at the same basic process as the old version but leaves out the interim conversion to cyanocobalamine. It doesn't make it any more or less synthetic or highly-processed than the older method or even cyanocobalamine itself.
I can't rule out that other processes have been invented since but there is no obvious way to know which actual process is used by which manufacturer. In the end, the supplement is just a drug, medication or whatever you want to call it and it's affect on the body is not nutrition but medication.
My real point is don't get carried away by the hype!
Because of NHS guidelines most GP's will only give shots if you have dangerously low B12 level with severe neurological symptoms or test positive for pernicious anaemia. If the B12 level is under the testing lab guideline level they will give oral cyanocobalamin (the only oral form of B12 prescribed on the NHS as far as I know). Even with a low level Dr's are sometimes reluctant to prescribe.
B12 shots are not available to buy over the counter in the UK but you can legally buy them from other European countries and self inject. The Pernicious Anaemia Society has information on how to self inject or could possibly help you find a private doctor. http://www.pernicious-anaemia-society.org/
You have to be a member to access all their information but there's lots of free info in their forums.
Your B12 level does seem on the low end of normal. If I were in your position I would simply find a good quality oral supplement.
Thank you Cat. I wonder why they are so reluctant with B12 - they are so happy to pump you full of everything else.
Possibly because of warnings such as this:
That's not much of a warning, all it says is that :
-some people are allergic to certain B12 compounds
-B12 shouldn't be used as a treatment unless a B12 deficiency has been diagnosed
-Concurrent low folate and high B12 concentrations are risky
Sorry, Nathan. Perhaps I should have waited until I found someone who died of anaphylactic shock. ;-)
I've looked and can't find a case of someone dying from self-injection. Point is many things cause allergic reactions, even fruit for some people. There's no need to inflate the risks associated with B12 supplementation.
You haven't looked well enough. I recall reading abstract of a paper on a death of a patient from B12 injection. There exist papers reporting other problems. A member of this forum collapsed after having one.
Hi Dr G, I just had a really good search on Google and nothing came up. Can you say where this paper was that you found please?
I recommend that you try a scientific database such as PubMed for example.
I am going to compile a list of some papers when I get some time.