I came across this one woman who was vegan for quite some time, 811 for a year, but then according to her, developed a host of problems like cystic acne, grayish hair, poor skin, etc. Upon going paleo (which has been for the past month or something), she says she feels a lot better.
Her vitamin D levels were really low and B12 was borderline/low. So...what happened? It's kind of disconcerting to read because it seems like she gave the 811 lifestyle a fair shot for a bit. Did she not do it for long enough? Was it her deficiencies? What's there to learn from her experience?
Here's her letter explaining the switch, her interview with Dan about her health problems while 811, and her former YouTube channel from when she was raw vegan. Sorry for all of the links, but they can explain her background far better than me for those interested in commenting. =)
Give it 6 months and see what she switches to next. Paleo will wreak havoc on her system and she'll be searching for something better soon enough. And in the meantime she'll be responsible for the imprisonment, torture and murder of helpless animals.
So many people think they're 'doing 811', when in fact they're doing their own invented version of it - following their own warped perceptions and concepts. Most are under eating, under sleeping, ignoring all but one or two of Doug's 32 essential aspects of health, and they suffer the consequences. Health is holistic, and someone who can bounce from veganism to paleo is unhealthy in more than just their body.
i was taught to respect the animals that give up their lives for us to sustain ours
There is not a single animal on the planet that 'gives up' their life to be our food. We take their lives. Your version of "animal welfarism" doesn't fly here on 30BaD. We are a No-Kill site; we advocate animal rights, fully and absolutely.
Please read through our guidelines. Perhaps you are on the wrong site, but in any case, you need to familiarize yourself with how we do things here on 30BaD.
We also don't tolerate the promotion of any animal products, for any reason. If you're under the delusion that animal products somehow helped your health, keep it to yourself; we're not interested.
Thanks Jon for saying this.
Awww it sounds to me like this girl is missing her mom and since she recently had a baby, she went back to the diet her mom raised her with. Bless her. I wish her all the best!
I wrote to Jacki offering her some free advice. She wasnt up for it. Another case of people looking for reasons to justify their complacency and share it online. Its like the customer that gets a replacement item + a refund but they are still not satisfied with there amazon delivery cos it was a day late so they want to feel important and get attention by sharing their 'problem' with others.
If you cant get attention from being healthy, try and be sick and see how you go.
If you cant get attention from being vegan and caring, go against those that do.
Its a weird weird world. :(
I am not expert on cancer, just read a lot about it, coz i know some tha metter to me. I know there is mica cherimoya, who actually after2year start to have tumor disolving. I also stuggle health, but the fun part is, that even cooked vegetable, or more fat make it worth, I always experiment, coz I also dont like what I eat(I get bored with a fruit sometimes, I missed cooked vegetable (cruciferous and so on) and some starches). But I try to work with it. I get symtoms worth from anything other than fruit and vegetable(but even too much calories, so I simply get sime extra vitamins(coz until someone find me a cure-which didnt happen for 7years- i dont tollerate anything else in my body much) and eat as much as I care for to stay raw.
About thy psyche, yeah I do believe that it changes with the disease ongoing, I dont know if psychosis is first or second to diseases, but my brain and focus surely does change with the disease, but instead of giving up diet, i giving up obsession about finding a cure, which I hope i find...and just start moving with live, do what I love, help if I can, do creativity, plan some traveling etc.
I find more problem in psychic situation in people head than in diet, no metter what diet they are set in, coz they symply diconnect with the body. even people in concentration camp, overcome cancer with surgical help and eating like a mouse and simply live for happiness not for whateverfood. I do feel that food helps, with energy and maintaining good digestion and care. But all of our food is not perfect unless wild. So we must do the best which I believe is the 811, but when I stuggle(iron and so on) I simply stay 811 and take supplement, go more greens(eventhough i did 2l already, so the problem is different) sun, sleep, and other stuf to heal again.
What I find challenging is that the fruit acids from unripe fruit are extreme(maybe I am sensitve, but I always get my toungh hurt after pinapple and kiwi, other unripe fruit). But to accept that in my country dates and bananas, which are not my fav. are the must plus vegetable and some extra whatever, is hard.
But hey I want to make it work and that is the final trick. Yesterday I talk to my friend, who also give up 811 (but since I know him, his mindset was placed in 811 agains, so whatever he does was diconected calorically and with lifestyle against it). Finally he told me, I really believe now it can work, so as he does have some issue with a intestine(desperately want to gain weight). Fear of waterfast, fear of only fruit makes him even more skinny. I said, you better focus on health first and then gain. Coz it wont work otherway round without symtom elimination pharmaceutics, then good bye in 50+. I am happy he finally get it.
With that girl it just the same, she was searching cure, but didnt find a piece and to be honest is actually in a mindset to get here cancer too. I hope not. She seems like a beutiful caring broken soul, but as she said, got a huge way in front of her.
I can also feel some psychologist behind her words, as I have talk to many doctors too. (due to my sickness) and I ended up by nutritionist and psychologist several times,(as they think I am causing it with my diet, so trust me I was all the time mad about the fact, that this diet do me wonder.coz other told me my sikness is due to that), with obsession orthodoxia, what everelse and nutritioninst, waiting for any little difference in nutrient in my diet. hahaha, finally iron(which is not nutritional problem in my type of diet at all, more other problem going on with my absorbtion or what).
Now I am back on fruit and law fat, do everything to make it work and it does, just take some little levothyroxine(coz still my thyroid(maybe due to stress or previous damage) is little sluggish), so my appetite start to go back and I can eat more and trive more and hopefully get healthy totally.
Also guess what, now the doctors told me, yeah the lyph nodes around my face are smaller(so really you should do that and we supplement you with whatever you will need to make it work for you). But that is the trick, you must admit you may need some extra help, either with waterfast(not always best, eventhough I am for fasting) and do make this diet works. Coz in my case it do me what I need.
The fact 'rawyoganurse' went from 180lbs to 120lbs and said 'on 811 I feel AMAZING!!!' sounds odd that she would come out against.
She is obviously spending too much time indoors judging by how anemic she looks. Hopefully she gets her lifestyle balance soon. Sounds like another troll looking for attention. I mean why would you leave up videos shouting from the roof tops how good this lifestyle is and then do blogs writing about how bad it is? lol! Sounds like Susan Schenk who still sells one book saying how good the vegan lifestyle is for your health and then she sells another book saying how BAD a vegan lifestyle is for your health!! lol!
I call it 'double dipping'.
She now claims to be living on 'a handful of chicken and lots of lettuce'. Sounds like a girl with a raging ED.
This video is full of praise for 811.
Wow after watching this one and another one of her videos I like her actually, well atleast the "her" that you can see in her video updates about 811 etc. The lifestyle seemed to be working so well for her like she said so it's just confusing that she would start writing the opposite.
I never believe the people who don't succeed at 80/10/10. What I mean by that is I don't know the exact details of what they did before, what they did during. Until I know exactly, I question the validity of blame on 811rv. It is a SPECIES specific program.
Also realize that there are several parts to this program. Exercise, food, water, sleep, and of course detox. This is why not only do you need to do the full program to be successful, but you also need a good stay at a water fast retreat. The crap we have eaten that is toxic to our bodies doesn't just disappear over night nor by magic, nor by simply following 811rv. It gets stored. I did a 92 day juice feast just recently because I couldn't go to a retreat at this time. The amount of toxic waste that came out of my body and mind was unbelieveable! It made me a 100% believer in eating clean the rest of my life.
I agree the devils is in the details and sometimes it is just one thing that can derail someones success. Some have failed because they should have supplemented b12, some might have issues with nightshades at the beginning that could cause issues, a lot do not eat enough even though they say they do. I find people overestimate what they eat if they are not accurately tracking it (like with chronometer) and they need to weight the edible portion of the food instead of choosing by the piece of fruit it is not that accurate unless you weigh it. So even when people use crono they are oversetimating. When somebody looses so much weight it is obvious they are not eating enough. Don Bennet has worked with many and is confident as most of that 80 10 10 works for everyone and when it is not there is always a reason.
nice...and so freakin true...people almost always overestimate the calories they take in once the go vegan or raw...myself included I felt i was chowing down 3000 calories and it was closer to 2000