I have been doing a week so far, and not sure how long or if I can stay on this diet. I am forcing myself to eat fruit, as it's simply not ripe/sweet and is also bland and slightly hard. I have not done too badly with cravings except in the first couple of days when I was ill prepared.
As I am not enjoying the fruits like I see other fruitarians on you tube who usually live in california or asia and are recommending ripe fruit which they often pick straight from the tree, I am tempted to fall back on my delicious marinated tofu sandwich, until I see that my iron and vitamin k count would suffer. I am lacking biotin, sodium and omega 6 everyday on this diet.
I am tracking on cronometer, and finding that my protein is always around 4%, I am eating half a pound of spinach a day, as I can't stomach anymore greens than that. What other plants are good to increase my protein?
I am also really bored of eating spinach every day to get my iron and vitamin k and don't like fruit dressings on spinach, so I am cheating by having olives and sometimes sundried tomatoes to make the salad palatable as I crave savoury. I ate 2 honeydew melons for breakfast, I felt bloated and full only to realise that immediately after I still felt hungry for something heavy. Also watery fruit and veg do not satisfy me even if my stomach is full, what is wrong???
Anybody else in this situation with crap fruit????
Permalink Reply by cafeaulait on thanks, it's a real shame as eating large volumes of fruits has been a challenge, but not impossible for me. i actually really enjoy sweet fruit. it's better in the summer here, so maybe winter is a time to go cooked.
i just hate the way that many 811's tell us about the merits of this diet, without realising that not everyone is in a priviledge position of living in warm climes or being able to grow their own.
Permalink Reply by jimmy on Yeah,its annoying,especially as the emphasis is on tropical fruit.We all know tropical fruit has the most nutrition of any fruit if its grown properly,picked near ripe and locally available,thats great for people who live in the tropics or sub tropics,but how many do???,.I live in the sub tropics but I've never eaten Durian,its too cold here to grow it,I've seen it in the supermarket at an inflated price,so I refuse to buy it.
Permalink Reply by cafeaulait on lol oranges arrive here either hard and tart like lemons, or soft and taste like water! i'm in the uk, so pretty north, the only fruits which grow here naturally are apples, strawberries, blackberries, watery fruits. some companies grow grapes in greenhouses. there aren't any heavy fruits growing here. i've tried durian, although it was very old and tough!!!
one quote i heard was that ripe fruit is best, even with melons, u should n't need a knife to cut they should fall open when u knock them on the ground. i think there should be different 811 diets depending on where u live on the planet. i'm lucky i live in a city for summer access, if i were to live in a small town, there would be no tropical fruits except unripe bananas.
Permalink Reply by cafeaulait on one thing i worry about going to cooked, is the lack of nutrition, before i was raw i found it hard to get iron and calcium, without eating enriched foods or lots of almonds, i was eating a lot of fat before 50% raw vegan/50% cooked. i have had one soya latte and a very small bowl of really delicious indian lentil soup, for social reasons when i met friends for coffee since i started 811.
Permalink Reply by James bananaman Bailey on absolutely! :)
Permalink Reply by jimmy on Sorry to hear that.....,is there any way you can get back there?.If you have to stay where you are try to eat as healthy cooked/raw diet as you can,millions of people are reasonably healthy eating wholsome cooked foods,you can still do 811.At least till you can get back to friendlier climes anyway......
Permalink Reply by cafeaulait on yeah that's sucks, i don't think i am suited to a northern climate in many ways. there is hardly any sun here, so i take vegan vit d3. my skin is brown so i don't absorb vit d as well as pale skinned peope. i live in the city without a garden so fresh air is not the same as the country. i do have a naturally sweet tooth, so don't get sick of fruit, so that's why it's frustrating! i think i would find the diet really easy even if i was in the sub tropics.
what are your fruit options in the summer? is it any better? it tends to get a lot better here in the summer, not sure why as i though tropical fruits grow all year round. i'm forcing down some grape and romanie lettuce smoothie with 6 dates and it's still bitter!!!
Permalink Reply by oxabbsxo on i find greens taste bitter if theyre not organic. i'd buy organic if i were you - especially with romaine / spinach / other greens cause they tend to be COVERED in pesticides.
and if you're only eat a half a pound of greens a day with lots of lots of dates, you won't get enough protein unless you a) increase your greens/veggie consumption big time or b) get a majority of your calories from other high - calorie fruits like bananas
Permalink Reply by cafeaulait on thanks , that's good advice, i'm not sure if i can get organic, i will try farmers markets, i have never tasted it before, are the greens sweet, how do they taste? so can you get more protein by eating a lot more bananas??? if so i will try this. but that will increase my calories, quite a lot, i'm not very active yet, so looking at consuming about 2000 calories a day. i am very excited on this diet as it seems really high in nutrition, especially from the greens.
Permalink Reply by jimmy on Organic is always better,no pesticides,herbicides,hormones,nitrates(from NPK chemical fertilizer),unbalanced minerals.Conventional greens might look lush and dark green but they are blown up with soluble mineral fertilizers and full of nitrates which is bad news spec if you eating loads of raw greens.Dont worry about excess calories from fruit if you want more protein,the extra cals from bananas can only be a good thing,search out organic though if possible
Permalink Reply by James bananaman Bailey on although i do see you have a point, i don't buy it. that is, if you want something in life and you have the means at your disposal, (£££) you do it. if you dont have the means, you get them. the only question you should be asking yourself is weather or not you want it? weather you really want it?? if you eat a low fat high carb, high fiber cooked vegan diet you'll be eating a great diet for health and energy, so theres nothing to fear from that choice. if you want the best, then you've gotta want it..youve gotta bl**dy go for it! i havn't bothered with cronometer, i just gorge myself on everything and anything i want. i have 2400/3000 cals first thing before i leave for work, (builder - lots of energy needed - lots of greif at work to!! ;) ). have some fruit whilst im there but all generally low-ish cals. have raisins and sultanas as a back up, (not into dates) get home more carbs/whole fruits/smoothies/juices...saled if i fancy, (cant always be bother with 30 mins of prep!) ..rock n roll!! got my bloods back from the Dr a couple of weeks ago, everythings hunky dory! i went vegan end of jan this year. im in newcastle...so you better belive is colder and alot grayer.. id LOVE to move south, way south for the sun, but not yet, so i make do. if for what ever reason i come off raw, (money and organization) i go to high carb whole vegan foods. i wouldn't sweat a couple of sun-dried tommy tomartos if it helps you enjoy and add some extra variation into you meals. it shouldn't be about guilt! first things first i would say - get MORE than enough cals in over the next week, then adjust untill you have the right levels for you. better to over eat good foods, than under eat them. once you know you getting that right...for a good couple of months, your body will have by then just started to really adjust to its new digestive needs...you'll be losing weight, which also means toxins..give it/you time to adjust, flush out...spring will be summer and you'll know better where you stand in a sunny hot september, just before we go into a bitterly cold winter, later this year! ;) the only true question for you really, is do you want this diet for yourself? - if so one way to do it is all or nothing but its not the only way!! every day, every week, every month get closer and closer and closer to where you want to be..
~ kind regards, james 'banana man' bailey :)
~ the fruit needs time to ripen. dont be afried to let some over ripen to push batches of friut to its sweetest! if some of its lacking in taste, which blows, add some lime or orange juice. mash up some berries and add them, pinapples!! - what ever works for you! - if in doubt, go sweeter!! ;)
..also there are quite a few fruitbats in london..make some new friends who dont think your offit! ;)
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