A friend of mine is about to do some Zoology research in which he will be working with capybaras (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris). As you know well, they can bite, so his supervisor has instructed him to vaccinate against rabies, just in case, to be safe.
You can surely appreciate that this is no light matter, since, as you know well, Rabies causes acute encephalitis and in humans it leads almost invariably to death at least if post-exposure prophylaxis is not administered prior to the onset of severe symptoms.
Now you know very well the position of natural hygienists on this issue and their unwillingness to administer vaccines. but this case seems to be different, i don't know...
I don't think I'd risk it, as the risk involved in not vaccinating seems to be much higher than the risk involved in vaccinating.
I find this discussion very important because it raises several issues, which go to the heart of NH, including the effectiveness of vaccines.
So, I'd be very glad if I could have your views or opinions on this matter, even if you happen to think that NH is as daft as a brush and natural hygienists, as nutty as a fruitcake...
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Permalink Reply by Happy Raw Vegan on Rabies can be spread before any symptoms are apparent. Also, it can be spread through feces as well. So you could get it by touching your boots. Very virulent stuff if you are around animals that are infected. This is something that I didn't know, but learned from researching rabies.
Permalink Reply by Amelia Swan on Definitely not common knowledge!
Permalink Reply by sunwukung on really? it is unscientific to think that an agression cannot be detected by the body in early stages. It is totally incoherent with basic laws of life.
Permalink Reply by Happy Raw Vegan on How so is it unscientific? Is aggression the only symptom?
"Rabies virus causes an acute encephalitis in all warm-blooded hosts and the outcome is almost always fatal. The first symptoms of rabies may be nonspecific and include lethargy, fever, vomiting, and anorexia. Signs progress within days to cerebral dysfunction, cranial nerve dysfunction, ataxia, weakness, paralysis, seizures, difficulty breathing, difficulty swallowing, excessive salivation, abnormal behavior, aggression, and/or self-mutilation." The CDC
Are the early symptoms that easy to spot? Especially since most animals will hide pain and disease. Also, many animals that are perfectly healthy will react with aggression if you interact with them.
Permalink Reply by sunwukung on Sorry for my english, I wanted to mean an agression for the body, as a toxic entering bloodstream. The body knows what is happening at any moment, maybe one doesn't, but it is another theme. The problem maybe is that most of us don't really know how it is feeling absolutely healthy and we tend to normalize ill states as healthy states.
Before your post gets deleted I've just got to say, Natural!?!? No foreign chemicals??!? Try reading the ingredients!
Permalink Reply by Keith on "smallpox, polio, and measles, hepatitis, and a host of other diseases are almost completely eradicated from the Western world"
- This was not due to vaccines, it was caused by the people making the places more sanitary
- Find more here http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/contagion-epidemics/epidemics.html
"First, vaccination is designed to do very little, or no damage to your body. You inject a miniscule amount of an inactive or slightly active virus, just enough for your body to recognize it and prepare it's immune system. It's like sending you immune system to boot camp to prepare them for a war. Your immune system will remember the specific composition of that virus if it strikes again in the future. Also, most people have slight, or no symptoms after a vaccine, which means that it is doing minimal damage to the body."
- Viruses are dead debris of bacteria and are very toxic. We don't have an immune system, we have a defensive system. Antibodies has never been proved, it's only a theory, based off the germ theory, which has been proved wrong multiple times. Okay to say that most people have no symptoms after a vaccine is quite ignorant, many people have adverse reactions. Normally these would be people with higher vitality than those who don't react. It doesn't mean that it's doing minimal damage to the body, it means the people who didn't react are so toxic that their body's cannot fight back, and are tolerating the vaccine. It's not a good thing. It's just like alcohol, people's bodies tolerate it, and down the future get worse problems.
- Find more here http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/contagion-epidemics/the-germ-theory...
- Main thing here, you still seem to believe in the Germ Theory, which has been proven wrong even Louis Pasteur on his death bed said germs don't cause disease. That and one more thing, disease is caused by the body as a form of detoxification.
If you get bit by something that has rabies and you get the rabies virus in your body it can cause people to get rabies because that virus is highly toxic and causes problems in a certain area. However, if your vitality is high enough (by implementing healthy lifestyle factors (raw fruit/veg, exercise, sleep, sun, cleanliness, etc.) ) your body can defend against the toxin. It's just that certain viruses are more toxic than others. And these toxins can affect a certain part of your body in a certain way. And if your body cannot cleanse itself of the toxin disease happens as the body's final resort in trying to rids itself of a toxin.
Natural Hygiene is so opposed to vaccines because everything taught about them is false.
Permalink Reply by sunwukung on Do you really think that scientists know enough about the body function to design a preventive medicine as vaccines pretend to be? A medicine of that kind must have 0 secondary effects, because there is no benefit in puting on risk the health, we are talking of previously and totally healthy people,
It is absurd, stupid and unscientific, we simply doesn't know how inmune system works and so all the secondary efects of vaccines and almost all medicines. We cannot obtain knowledge from ignorance.
Source: A victim from vaccines.
Permalink Reply by Peter Csere on Damage done introducing a vaccine vs. the disease itself. Really? What a shortsighted comparison. How about, chance of getting the disease itself, vs. chance of receiving death or serious chronic illness/long term effect from vaccine.
If, for some reason, one got rabies, one can get treated for it. This is why we don't give human babies rabies vaccines; even the medical establishment isn't that stupid. Has anyone considered a third option: DON'T work with the animals that could bite and give rabies.
Polio is not "contracted" it is heavy metal poisoning. There is no virus that causes polio. The virus that supposedly causes polio has never been proven to cause polio using the scientific method, with hard science, in the real world. Maybe in the floaty pseudo-science world of industry groups and medical institutes, it has, but that's not good enough for me.
Come on, people, raise your standards for scientific information. So you saw the youtube "herd immunity" video. It seemed pretty scientific and logical, rite? So what? I saw the youtube "Paleo is the best diet" video. If I wasn't loaded full of great information about nutrition, and if I hadn't spent time researching and debunking all the false information I had "learned," I would totally believe the paleo video. That's why so many people fall for paleo. Doctors tell us many scientific-sounding reasons why vaccines are good, and also why 80 10 10 raw vegan is bad. The only reason we don't fall for the latter is we have educated ourselves.
Disclaimer: I never actually saw the "paleo is the best diet" video; I just assume that it exists.
Permalink Reply by Happy Raw Vegan on Thank you for the link, I will expand my knowledge today!
Permalink Reply by Peter Csere on Another thing to add, before that guy's post gets deleted, is that polio/whatever it's called nowadays is just heavy metal poisoning. The link between the polio "virus" and the disease has never been proven using, you know, hard science in the real world. The original polio vaccine sample was taken from the feces of HEALTHY people (i.e. without "polio.") The definition of polio has been changed so many times - the only reason it has been "eradicated" is that it's impossible to diagnose anymore. Now it is diagnosed as MD, MS, ALS (Lou Gehrig's) and a whole bunch of other acronyms.
Look up Fear of the Invisible because it sounds like you have a whole bunch of pseudo-science clogging up your vaccine information.
Permalink Reply by Happy Raw Vegan on Peter, references/links please? I am interested in learning what I can before deciding definitively. =)
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