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Permalink Reply by For_The_Love_Of_Fruit on That's exactly what I was about to write.
Permalink Reply by Reed on Polls have 9% of the female population never eat meat and 5% of males never eat meat. This pretty much makes the 99.99% number a statistical impossibility. Many very famous Athletes are vegans or Vegetarians.
One good example of the absolute elite in the purest of humanly possible athletic performance is the numerous world record holder and 9 time Olympic gold medalist Carl Lewis. He's a Vegan and has been for 22 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lewis
Quote: "Lewis is vegan. Lewis credits his outstanding 1991 results in part to the vegan diet he adopted in 1990, aged thirty. He has claimed it is better suited to him because he can eat a larger quantity without affecting his athleticism[86][87] and he believes that switching to a vegan diet can lead to improved athletic performance."
Permalink Reply by Reed on I caught your point before but it had flaws. Wild statements like 99.99% are not realistic. Depending on the source, about 5% of pro athletes are vegetarians.
I gave the most elite athlete as an example. One where the other 7 billion could not compete and win against. All top athletes have habits or even environments that reduce their performance some. It might be drinking, eating crappy food, living near smog or one of thousands of things that keep them from reaching 100% of their true potential.
Diet is only part if it (a major part) but a bad diet catches up you with the years. Fedor Emelianenko might have been the best heavy weight MMA fighter but his diet sucked. If he ate better he might still be fighting. He could have dropped from 233 pounds to under 205 and compete in the light-heavyweight division. An awesome fighter that could easily drop 25-30 pounds of fat.
Permalink Reply by Reed on I'm pretty sure Nick Diaz, Jake Shields and Jon Fitch are vegetarians.
The reason we can hardly agree is because of you're exactly like your Avatar. North Korean Kim Jong and you love to waste time getting nothing resolved.
Athletic performance is a "marker" of health. A sub 4 minute mile runner is probably very likely to be extremely healthy. The guy that can't walk a mile isn't doing to good. We use athletic performance to determine health. The Bruce Protocol Treadmill Stress Test is a perfect example. Score >7 Mets and you're considered unhealthy. Under 10 Mets and you can't even get a job as a firman or police position. 20 Mets and your up at the Elite Athletes level.
Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on Reality is 100% of the big names in sport are doped to the gills today.
You are right, diet as long as its got enough carbs will be good enough as long as the athlete trains right and does the doping protocol. Hence we see so many ex athletes become overweight/obese/super unfit.
I get get on some dope and cycling a LOT better. Ive been out training in the mountains with Lance Armstrong, Contador etc. I can put out the watts. With dope you can just hold it way way longer.
Health means you have to have fitness.
Fitness doesnt really mean you are healthy though.
Hope that makes sense. Its like a fruitarian will be healthier than a pro athlete doped to the gills and risking cancer or heart attack any day YET that fruitarian would be even healthier if they got half fit themselves.
Permalink Reply by Reed on Your cherry picking selective outcomes and rare events to prove falsehoods. I could unequivocally prove that Jim Fixx died of a heart attack at age 52 but could I prove that jogging takes years off of your life? No because it's a misnomer. You fixate on statements that are not the norm or even reality.
Who cares if your uncle drank and ate like crap but survived until retirement? It proves nothing but dumb people have done stupid things and survived long enough to retire. If you think Chris Leben was really 100% the day after being drunk, if so you're not too bright.
We don't have a difference of opinion. We have common since and lack of it. As for you taking roids and thinking you would ever be a gold medalist? It's extremely doubtful as roids don't build character, discipline, goals, motivation, pride or perseverance.
Davy jones was and not single digit body fat when he died. He was 66 and very overweight. He had drugs in his system as stated by his autopsy report.
Permalink Reply by Reed on Lets just focus on the olympics. How many of these people are Vegan/Vegetarian? I would wager the majority (high majority) that medal are omni.
The question itself is flawed without knowing the ratio of Vegan/Vegetarians to the % of Medal holders and the same with meat eaters. If only 5% are Vegan/Vegetarians yet they hold 7% of the medals they would still fail your test yet proportionately they did better. I could postulate that meat eaters are smarter because most people that pass the Mensa tests eat meat. I would be forming a wrong conclusion by omission.
Lewis was named "Olympian of the Century" and "Sportsman of the Century" and was still competing way past his prime after two decades of Olympics and World championships and jumped into acting. Of course he's going to grow older and loose his peak abilities but he won several golds "after his prime" in the World Championships and Olympics while being a vegetarian.
If you reversed your Diabetes then you will have many athletic advantages. You'll be avoiding diabetic neuropathy, problems with your kidneys, nerves, feet, and eyes, heart disease and bone and joint disorders, skin problems, digestive problems, sexual dysfunction, and problems with your teeth and gums. Reversing diabetes is going to keep you healthier and if you train and eat correctly you'll be a much better athlete. If your diabetes was corrected by this diet then yes it will help you be a better athlete.
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