Hi Raw Friends- I look at those 1 pound containers of leafy greens and Wow! does that look like a lot of roughage! Could you share how your appetite regarding greens has changed as you've progressed with your 811 diet? Has your choice of greens changed? More sensitive to bitter tastes? Eating more of them? Less? Prone to fantasizing about wheat-grass juice retention enemas? or maybe not........
Years ago when I first started eating raw vegan, I used to eat huge amounts of kale. Now, guess what, it makes my thyroid swell up.......Yep, Dr. Dough Graham is seriously onto something when he tells us to eat tender leafy greens.
I still force myself to eat greens, i wish i can love them like everybody else. But there is a slight change i have noticed, i am really liking and noticing the sweetness of the greens, i dont think i have ever noticed that before
Random observation: I mentioned at another raw food forum that when I eat the likes of kale, that my thyroid swells up, and people there get so peculiar, they react in a very defensive manner, and go about proving that I'm wrong. weird huh.....whatever.
I want to start doing micro-greens again. I didn't really get good at them before, I'd really love to perfect the system of growing them.
What are micro-greens, Dovima?
We used to have a micro-green seller at our local outdoor weekly farmers market, but I didn't see them this year :(
There are days when I do not want to eat many greens at all and just hit the fruit and then days when I have just got to eat loads of lettuce and nice juicy celery!!!
Lettuce - eat most days
Celery - eat most days
Spinach - perhaps once or twice a week
Kale I have eaten on and off but dont miss it if I do not eat it. Wheat grass I have never been into so... Things like rocket I can eat, parsley etc and dont mind the taste now and again though rocket is pretty strong tasting!
I still love eating greens and always benefit from the help they give my digestion. Fruits & Greens for me!!!!!
Never normally juice my greens as I love eating them so much.
Why do some sources say that the oxalic levels are reduced when cooked and other sources say the opposite? Isn't this as simple as measuring it? I don't get that.
Because there is a chemical change that occurs when oxalic acid is cooked and some people interpret this different ways.
For instance some people say that raw oxalic acid is good for you and you NEED it but it's bad cooked and some people say it's bad for you raw but good cooked and some people say it's whatever.
These people are all stupid and wrong, though. There is no "bad" or "good" It is quantity that matters. Whether it's raw or cooked, there is a quantity that will have a negative effect on your health. Saying "raw oxalic acid is good 4 u" (cousens) is completely meaningless unless you are saying that unlimited amounts of it are "good" for you which could not possibly be true. Gabriel Cousens can go eat 1 lb of kale a day for the next 6 months then I will laugh at him while he's trying to pass kidney stones. No, that would be mean. But you get my point? One of our members got a calcium deficiency after doing 811 for a while. Took me two seconds to figure out why: She didn't rotate her greens and she ate 1#/day of baby spinach for 6 months. That's like asking for a calcium deficiency. Heck, huge amounts of one specific thing for months and months is guaranteeing some sort of imbalance. If I didn't eat at least a few meals a week of something other than bananas I'd be a little worried if I did that for a year.
Based on the experiences of many long-term 30BAD members as well as the advice of not only Doug Graham but nearly every natural hygienist and NH text, I can only assume that the amount of oxalic acids in kale, spinach etc would be detrimental to my health if I consumed them regularly, and many members experience ill effects after only eating them once. And I should add that Dr. G has said one can eat a diet completely free of all dark greens and brassicas and not suffer any nutrient deficiency. One only needs to consult cronometer for that info, though.
Thanks for the thoughtful perspective on that- that makes sense now.
Prone to fantasizing about wheat-grass juice retention enemas?
You know me too well ;-)
Yep, Dr. Dough Graham is seriously onto something when he tells us to eat tender leafy greens.
That dude knows.
Yeah greens make my teeth feel nice and clean. I can eat about 1/3-1/2lb a day now, and I am steadily increasing the quantity. I do not put them in "green smoothies" because then they do not help my teeth at all, and then the incredible amounts of salivary enzymes released during chewing are... not released, sadly.