my grandmother saw a doctor saying that you need to eat lots of meat and milk to have strong bones and was telling me to eat that. then my mom who don't know the details of 811 said the same thing. how do i explain to them why i'm not going to?
I hear you John... and that kind of incredibly misguided, Corporate-sponsored 'advice' really pisses me off too. I broke my back because of a milk diet. Got to spend 3 months in the hospital... a month in a wheelchair... time with a walker etc.... I'm bloody lucky that I can walk today. And I'm in my early 40s!
Several years ago, because of the f'd-up main-stream 'nutrition' guidance. I thought it was 'healthy' to drink non-fat milk with protein powder in it.
I essentially lived on that....and exercised like there was no tomorrow (I over-exercised, too much isn't good either! -especially if your body is already really really thin. I was below 100 pounds)... and it ruined my bones.
Basically, with that kind of diet, it is like pouring acid on your bones.
Tell your grandma's doctor that... give him/her a copy of The China Study... or a link to milksucks.com (http://www.milksucks.com/index2.asp).
There are plenty of articles on that site that show exactly WHY a milk & meat will give a person Osteoporosis.
I drank milk and broke more than a half dozen bones. That was a few years ago, and I was not a raw fooder. My bones are strong now.
Harvard University's landmark Nurses Health Study, which followed 78,000 women over a 12-year period, found that the women who consumed the most calcium from dairy foods broke more bones than those who rarely drank milk. Summarizing this study, the Lunar Osteoporosis Update (November 1997) explained: “This increased risk of hip fracture was associated with dairy calcium If this were any agent other than milk, which has been so aggressively marketed by dairy interests, it undoubtedly would be considered a major risk factor.”
The reason why the doctor is telling your family to do that is because 1. Meat provides a wide range of amino acids (all the essencial ones), that's why it's referred to as a "high quality" protein, and 2. Because milk has calcium that is important for bone mineralization. Well, you can tell them to 1. that you can get all the amino acids you need when you consume a varied diet of fruits and vegetables (if you eat only bananas for a long period, you will sure be deficient for more than one essencial amino acid for example), specially because the doctor can't probably concieve the amount of greens and fruit that this lifestyle entails. Usually people think of spinach as a boiled side dish... To 2. it gets a bit trickier, because there no way your doctor will agree with the less than 1000 mg of Ca a day. We don't get that on the 80/10/10. Many different views on the topic... the most convincing one to me is that we probably don't need so much calcium. Anyways, you can still get the beloved mineral in your greens and fruit (figs have loads, same as spinach and dark leaves)
I've read from some pretty good sources that while meat / dairy are high in calcium, the acidity they bring to the blood requires the body to use most (if not all) of the calcium from the food and potentially remove calcium from the bones in order to restore pH alkalinity.
Debbie, as a recent graduate of a nutrition sciences program at the University of CT, Harrison is maybe half-right about the nutritionists, at least it seems that way at my school. Much of the clinical classes involve what I think of as damage control...they are about how to bring sick people up to moderate health. So there is much discussion about how to create meal plans or eating guides for people with diabetes, heart disease, obesity. There is a constant assumption that moderate health is the goal and much of the information is geared towards that line of thinking.
Doctors get very little specific nutrition training, but they indirectly know a lot about it. They have to take many of the same courses nutritionists do such as organic chem, microbiology, biochemistry etc. They learn in detail how fats, proteins, carbs, vits, mins, fiber, and phytonutrients work in the body and how to get them from food. So they are still getting nutritional training but not as much as, say, someone who reads 811 :)
I'm a little confused because I thought Harrison was talking about medical doctors receiving no nutritional training. I'm currently working for a doctor (this is first year after med school, residency, and a fellowship) and he took no nutritional classes. Some schools may require one but that's usually it. So for medical doctors I think he's right, you're son on the other hand is getting a degree in nutrition, which is different.
Also, I think he's right about "Even nutritionists who have earned a degree were taught info that was created and promulgated by the various food lobbies, and most of that info is complete hogwash." Ask your son what an ideal diet is based on what he is learning at school. I had tons of nutrition major friends at the University of Florida and they would all recommend lean proteins, milk, whole grains, and fruits, and veggies.
I know three that haven't taken any and they are recent grads from good med schools. So even they don't consider the chemistry classes that they took to be nutrition classes. It wouldn't even matter if they did take traditional nutrition classes because it would be the same government approved diets that traditional nutritionists learn anyways.