Permalink Reply by blueyesvegan on Do they have scientific basis to say that fruitarianism is dangerous, all the people who say that fruitarianism hasn't scientific basis?
Permalink Reply by Macuilxochitl on Well, 30bad is not about "fruitarianism", because that would mean no greens etc.
Permalink Reply by Mickey Raw Frugivore on Well, no 30bad is not about "no greens" - But Freelee and Harley certainly don't eat a lot of greens themselves.
As far as I understand, they do not focus on recommending people to eat the same amounts and types of leafy greens that patenaude suggests to be crucial to human health - And they seem to be thriving.
I definitely think that greens play an important role in a fruitbased diet - But I also think that patenaude has a tendency of highly overrating the importance of greens - and basing most of his claims on theory.
Permalink Reply by Macuilxochitl on Oh, I don't say this because of good ol' Fred, but because fruitarianism implies only fruit, which of course is unhealthy and easy to "debunk".
Permalink Reply by Mickey Raw Frugivore on What are you basing the claim, that pure fruitarianism per definition is unhealthy, on?
A lack of essential minerals? Amino acids? Fatty Acids? The calcium-phosphorus ratio?
I'm just curious :)
Permalink Reply by Macuilxochitl on Of course.
Permalink Reply by Mickey Raw Frugivore on What science do you base that on?
Permalink Reply by Macuilxochitl on Sorry, I'm not a science guy, you'll have to ask other people that.
Permalink Reply by Mickey Raw Frugivore on I'm just asking because you said that pure fruitarianism "of course is unhealthy and easy to "debunk"
I know a lot of people think this is the case - But I have yet to see a convincing debunk of fruitarinism. I think patenaude's arguments in this article are just as vague as he thinks the pro-fruitarian arguments are.
Permalink Reply by Macuilxochitl on I suppose it's because that's what Doug says. "Have seen enough fruitarians die" etc. I don't have any experience with long-term pure fruitarianism, so I'll draw upon his for now.
The proof is in the cherimoya.
Permalink Reply by Mickey Raw Frugivore on Yeah, I know.. I just think that statement is a bit odd. Not that I don't believe him, I do. But just because fruitarians have died because of deficiency in their diet or lifestyle, does that mean that fruitarianism per definition is lethal?
I mean - one person died after participating in one of Doug's fasting retreats - Does that mean that fasting is lethal? Or that Doug doesn't know what he's doing? I think not - Because there's a story behind everything, and this death was certainly not Doug's fault at all. But that's another story.
Okay, maybe this example is a bit farfetched, but I think you get the point.
I would like to know a few things about these fruitarian deaths:
- How many calories did they eat?
- How much water did they drink?
- How much rest?
- How much sun exposure?
- Did they have a stressful life?
- Did they exercise?
- How much fat did they eat?
- And very important: Were they eating organic/homegrown/wild/top quality fruits? Or mostly commercially grown?
Btw - I wouldn't recommend anyone to not eat greens when starting on a fruitbased diet. I just think it is a bit silly when people write of the possibility of a 100 % fruitbased diet with fear- and theory-based arguments. (Not that I think you do, Marco :)
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