Non-orgasmic sex an important key to lowering our dopamine threshold and effectively making lfrv easier?

www.reuniting.info and the book "Cupid's Poisoned Arrow" both by Marnia Robinson, are great resources on Karezza (non-orgasmic sex; distinct from non-ejaculatory or multi-orgasmic sex) and the effects of orgasm on our bodies/minds/emotions.

The above resources state - which my personal experiences tie up with - that an orgasm raises dopamine levels drastically; more than most stimulants including cooked food does. The consequence of the raised dopamine is the loss of dopamine receptors in our brains (a reaction that occurs for any type of dopamine rush - whether food, drug or activity induced). The decrease in the number of dopamine receptors means that to experience the same amount of happiness/connection to life (determined by the number of dopamine receptors firing off as they make contact with dopamine) as experienced before the dopamine rush we need more dopamine than before the rush to experience the same number of dopamine receptors firing off. This is the basic cycle of addiction - we require more and more dopamine as the dopamine receptors keep dying off with each more intense dopamine rush. If we wade through the withdrawal (lowered number of dopamine receptors firing off and associated lowered levels of happiness) the dopamine receptors will increase in numbers again to bring us back to normal levels of dopamine receptors firing off. The theory and emperical evidence suggests a 2 week hangover for an orgasm.

As cooked food is a major dopamine stimulant, Karezza can make the transition into lfrv or healthier eating in general much easier as it removes the craving for a dopamine fix caused by an orgasm withdrawal.

The other benefits of Karezza are:

* nurturing of a deep and undying love and attraction for your karezza partner;

* increased health speculated to be due in part to higher levels of testosterone and more balanced levels of hormones;

* success in endeavours (less at the mercy of following your (maybe not so noticable until practising karezza) orgasm withdrawals that detract you from using your time and faculties in making a success of your endeavours);

* greater happiness, patience and love.

Karezza is different from non-ejaculatory sex (as in some Taoist teachings). I use to practise this for a few years but kept searching as I felt something was missing and noticed the effects of orgasm (especially multiple ones in close proximity) on my mood, happiness and general success in life. Some Taoist teachings do teach what is effectively karezza - referred to as a valley orgasm as opposed to the peak orgasm of other Toaist multi-orgasmic practices.

Those who have read the Anastasia series of books will know about the books suggestion that sex not be about "carnal pleasures" (orgasm in my opinion) but love. This is exactly what karezza is about - channelling your energy into showing your love for your partner as opposed to satisfying your own "need" for orgasm.

The practice is not about denying yourself as with time it becomes completely satisfying beyind normal orgasm.

Are orgasms really that normal if the intent behind most acts of sex is not to concieve but to show love and affection?

If your breathing and body remains completely relaxed with deep long breaths and no contraction of muscles, it's impossible to have an orgasm. The energy instead flows between the partners.

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Permalink Reply by Xenia on May 27, 2011 at 5:12pm

Hey Megan, thanks for sharing! That is fantastic news/information... xx

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Permalink Reply by Pau Casas on May 27, 2011 at 5:59am

Wow, great to see all this interest about karezza. I didn't think so many people would be into it! I remember when I first mentioned having sex without orgasm and its benefits on another post discussing if being lfrv cuts your sex drive, and no one said anything so I thought I was the odd one out here :D

The negative effects of orgasm last for 2 weeks on a "healthy" individual (meaning someone who isn't compulsive about it), but up to 8 weeks for someone who's been "overindulging". So just to say for new people here who want to try going without orgasm, it's normal to not feel great (or rather have ups and downs) for the first 2 to 8 weeks. After that it's cruising on confidence, willpower, clarity and joy.

During the 2 to 8 weeks that it takes the brain to re-balance itself, indulging in lots of oxytocin producing behaviors helps immensely, especially to ride out the urges. Those would be activities that are pleasurable but not addictive, such as exercise, spending time with friends, taking care of your partner in a non-sexual way (massage, caress), etc. Those activities also help keeping wet dreams at bay. The most frustrating thing when trying to give up the orgasm addiction is having it involuntarily while asleep, and most likely it will happen during those first 8 weeks if the person has been overindulging. In that case I'd just like to say to people not to get discouraged, and keep in mind that it's just part of the process of the brain balancing itself out. It will go away by itself within several weeks. After that it's easy, and the benefits are well worth it, including things I've probably mentioned before like sex becoming a blissful experience where the beings/souls of the couple seem to merge and become one. The book Cupid's Poisoned Arrow has some awesome testimonials of heavenly experiences.

Much love and success to all,

Pau

P.S.: Just want to add that I haven't read all the long posts in the thread so perhaps some of these things have already been mentioned, sorry for repeating then. All I said in my post is from experience plus Cupid's Poisoned Arrow, which I recommend everyone read.

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Permalink Reply by Pau Casas on May 27, 2011 at 9:11am

I was great to hear that you were interested in Karezza too, Jerome! We leave on the 30th of June so hopefully we can meet before that, for sure.

The potluck here in Montreal's probably on a bad date however (around the 25th?), we'll be in Quebec city around that time, so either before or after that.

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Permalink Reply by Radiance888 on June 14, 2011 at 4:13pm

Thanks for posting this info, Roan. I did order the book by Marnia and have begun to read it. Not only well written but makes a lot of sense to me. Have always been big on oxytocin :)

all blessings,

Rad

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Permalink Reply by Dylan Rawgasms on August 20, 2011 at 6:09am

karezza is a step down a path of stillness and constant meditation. sounds great, but where do you draw the line? at some point we must be stimulated or being alive wouldn't be worth it.

i try to work smart not hard. LFRV is definitely not hard once you get used to it, but it has tremendous positive effects. it sounds like karezza has positive effects, but are they great enough that it would be worth it to give up orgasms?

i mean, come on, give up ORGASMS?!?!? but they make me so happy! aren't i supposed to do what makes me happy? increase the positivity? and someone please re-address the dopamine rush associated with exercise! are you saying that i should stop exercising because i will be more clearheaded and less likely to make bad decisions?

roan, you are making me think! i love it!

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Permalink Reply by Roan Stoop on September 19, 2011 at 8:30pm

Hey Dylan Rawgasms

You should try out Karezza for a bit and then go back to conventional sex to make a comparison for yourself.

I said one should avoid over-exercising not exercising all together. I strongly believe that exercise and movement is very important and personally do body-weight and gymnastics exercises a few times a week. I feel better for it. Over-exercising happens when one ignores the signals of pain and discomfort when exercising which eventually leads to a spike in dopamine as the body prepares to protect itself under a stressful situation. By doing exercises with more awareness and by breathing properly during exercise I believe we can keep pain or discomfort at bay for longer.

Thanks for posting and I'm glad that 30BaDers are thinking about orgasms and karezza.

Cheers

Roan

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Permalink Reply by Roan Stoop on September 19, 2011 at 8:59pm

Hey SA

The way I see it is that the body spikes dopamine levels beyond the normal levels whenever the body is under physical, emotional or mental stress - lust or orgasm are both stresses to the body - just different magnitudes. This spike in dopamine (a hormone or messenger) tells all the different parts of the body to respond to the stressful event and the body goes into overdrive mode to protect itself under the stress of the event. (For some people this overdrive mode is the most 'happy' or alive they ever feel and they get addicted to it. They don't know how good oxytocin is!). As the stressful event (orgasmic sex) ends the body now has to recover some of the energy and resources depleted during the overdrive mode and the dopamine levels drop below normal levels telling the body to function at sub-optimal levels to recover energy and resources. This sub-optimal mode is when we are less happy and irritable. So lust and lust-full activities (coming close to orgasm) increase dopamine in little spikes culminating in a big spike with orgasm after which dopamine levels drop below normal.

Cheers

Roan

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Permalink Reply by Derek on September 20, 2011 at 1:52am

So Roan is the information in Cupids Poisoned Arrow is it about having orgasms during sex while not ejaculating??

I understand it goes much deeper that.

I'm glad I came across this. Recently sex has just been so boring for me that I have a hard time even coming to climax. I feel nothing during masturbation now too. I get all excited and jerk off but when I climax I feel nothing.

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Permalink Reply by Roan Stoop on September 20, 2011 at 2:41am

Hi Derek

No, karezza and the info in Cupid's Poisoned Arrow is not about orgasms without ejaculation. It's about orgasm-free, ejaculation-free sex. It's not about abstaining and is not conventional sex minus the orgasm either. It's a different approach to sex where energy is channeled into caressing, affection and love whilst keeping the body relaxed and breathing through the abdomen which is how we breathe when we are completely relaxed. Doing this will result in a more ecstatic love-making experience that can satisfy one beyond the need for orgasm.

Read more on www.reuniting.info about the affects of orgasm on mood and health and the benefits of karezza.

Cheers

Roan

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Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on September 20, 2011 at 12:56am

Ive had a vasectomy therefore no need to hold back. Sex life is great when you dont have to worry about anything.

I would say what makes lfrv easier is living in places where you can get quality fruit easily. ;)

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Permalink Reply by Diospyros on September 20, 2011 at 2:57am

Durianrider, why do you comment without reading and understanding the point and concept that is being presented, as if you couldn't learn something new and interesting here? Have you actually read the thread or website?

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Permalink Reply by Derek on December 15, 2011 at 4:08pm

Lol I read through the whole thread and he posted this exact same post earlier in the thread...

so the answer is no.. he doesn't read or understand it