Mark Sisson quotes.

I present for you my venting for your amusement and betterment. Offense intended to those involved. I encourage you to critically think for yourself.

For those that don't know Mark, he is an ex trialthlete turned 'diet guru'. Basically he has just made up a more 'healthy' version of Dr Atkins low carb, high fat diet.

His site is www.marksdailyapple.com and book is the 'primal blueprint'. He believes that you can eat all the cholesterol and saturated fat you want and this helps create a healthy heart and muscular body. (Heck, didnt work for the guy in this photo below.)

Im sure Mark means well, heck, he is rak'n in the cash for sure by all the fatties looking to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast and drop weight. Its the same bunch of fatties that didnt learn from the Atkins craze or perhaps its the kids of the Atkin's munch'n parents. Either way, high fat, high protein animal based carb phobic diets...its downright dangerous. Something Mark and Dr Atkins left out of their books..Dr Atkins ended up dying from a head injury after suffering a heart attack and falling over. He had advance heart disease and was considered obese at 258lbs.

Sisson fans might say 'But Mark looks fit for his age?'. I agree (even though I cant find any recent photos of him and diet book guru's are famous for working out for some cover shots that they dont really look like year round) but lets remember he has over 40 years of competitive sport behind him and obviously doesnt follow his own diet. A bit like Barry Spears author of the zone diet claiming to only eat 1300calories a day and weighing over 220lbs. (Barry finally admitted to Dr McDougall on stage that he doesnt follow his own diet.)

So this thread is dedicated to highlighting the contradictions of the 'primal blueprint' fad diet that is very popular at the moment in the weight loss industry. If you want to sell books, tell people good things about their bad habits and your on a winner!

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Permalink Reply by Arrow on September 12, 2010 at 9:13am

Are you an otter Grok?

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Permalink Reply by pradtf on September 12, 2010 at 9:24am

grok,

you don't need to be an otter. you say you can't understand this 'tools' thing, but you keep going to the trouble of comparing yourself (and thereby trying to justify) to the strangest of entities like a lioness, an otter, the dead bruce lee.

how many small does are you able to catch even on your cycle, much less bring down.

you are not being told you can't use tools. you are being told that the usage of tools does not verify biological plausibility.

and that's only the 'nature' part of the argument. without a justification for necessary killing, the ethical component has no foundation to stand upon (as arrow and others have explained).

in friendship,
prad

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Permalink Reply by Grok on September 12, 2010 at 9:49am

If you don't think I can't take a small doe with my bare hands you are sadly mistaken my friend. If it was legal and I didn't have a day job I'd make a youtube video.

"justification for necessaryi killing" Step out of modern society & fruity dreamland and it was necessary. That's my only point. Whether folks on here want to accept that or not... whatever.

P.S. "bruce lee's efforts only work against human actors" Would you like back that up? One of my best friends has about 1/4 of Lee's skills, and I can ensure you he's quite lethal even with his mouth taped shut, nails trimmed, and naked. Hell, I'll even let you tie a hand behind his back.

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Permalink Reply by Arrow on September 12, 2010 at 9:55am

Give me a break....

You know Grok..I grew up in the same area that you live in. I know about deer. I have pictures of my Aunt when she was young and made them her pets. Why would you even consider this?

I doubt if you will ever respond to this...

Permalink Reply by Ryan | on September 12, 2010 at 9:57am

so you can run down a deer? damn grok, this new diet is producing some great results! ;-)

Permalink Reply by Tarah @ 40 Below Fruity on September 12, 2010 at 10:12am

If you ever do try, I sincerely hope you get your ass kicked.

You seem to find it quite amusing, the prospect of murdering a beautiful creature. Why is this exactly?

What is it about this photograph (Albeit, it is a male deer) that represents food to you?

Or better yet,
Do you dream of catching one of these peaceful hens, ripping off her leg, and gorging yourself on her entrails? This type of thinking is extremely deranged.

Permalink Reply by pradtf on September 12, 2010 at 10:33am

the point still seems to be that you haven't caught or killed a doe, so to boast that you can is inconclusive.

what sort of an argument is "step out of modern society"? it's the same as your doe effort. you live in modern society therefore killing isn't necessary.

all these arguments of yours are based on this "if i were in this situation, when you aren't".

btw, i'm familiar with bruce lee's abilities - you're just missing the point i was making earlier.

in friendship,
prad

Permalink Reply by Derek on September 12, 2010 at 10:52am

This sounds like all the guys I work with

"So if you had to kill all animals you eat, you could do it?"

"oh ya for sure"

"ok... wheres your dog... I wanna hot dog!!"

this is male egotistical thinking at its worst that has been severely warped by the consumer society

thats great that your buddy could kill me with one hand behind his back... I'll just kill him with platonic love :D

Permalink Reply by Grok on September 12, 2010 at 11:04am

@Arrow, I guess because I'm spawned from Satan himself. Thirsty for blood. Case of mangoes & 2lbs of dates this morning just didn't cut it for me.

Good idea of your aunt. I guess she missed the cases where these tender loving pets tried to kill the hand that was feeding them. This happened right down the street from me two years ago, and also to my barbers Dad. Thank god for the lady down the road that there was a big fat inbred redneck meat eater who heard her screaming and came to her aid with a wrench.

These deer must have been under-carbed. Not enough abandoned apple trees around here.

My aunt and uncle have a pet bear. They feed him a vegetarian diet. He's friendly.

@Ryan, Indeed. Making me a more efficient killer I guess ;) This is what evil people do.

@Tarah, You don't want my answer. Or maybe you do? You need something more to keep fueling your emotions? Deranged... OK you win. Not going to touch that.

Ridiculous comments get either ridiculous answers, or none.

Permalink Reply by pradtf on September 12, 2010 at 11:11am

grok, you write:
@Tarah, You don't want my answer. Or maybe you do? You need something more to keep fueling your emotions? Deranged... OK you win. Not going to touch that.

grok your answers haven't really been rational. they are self-serving, outbursts and interjections rather unrelated to the responses you are receiving.

tarah isn't fueling her own emotions either. she's showing you a perspective that you evidently haven't considered seriously yet.

Ridiculous comments get either ridiculous answers, or none.

tarah, arrow, ryan and derek have not made ridiculous comments and it is inappropriate of you to exclaim that they have. if you cannot control your own emotions, i respectfully suggest you choose the "none" option.

in friendship,
prad

Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on September 12, 2010 at 12:43pm

Grok, quit yapp'n and make that face off 'youtube happen! No tools, no traps, just pure primal shoeprint.

But you couldnt, why? Cos your an athlete vs a redneck.

Permalink Reply by Grok on September 12, 2010 at 11:13am

I'm done responding to this thread, It's shifted from debate to personal, which actually took a little longer than I'd expected. Kudos :)

I have a job (fruit's not cheap) and lots of work to get done, so I won't be on here to defend myself (even though this thread isn't about me), so have at it! Show the world how good hearted, loving, and rational hardcore vegans are.